Re: RC: Re: Russian Arabs

[Bette Lamore <woa@stormnet.com>]

Hi Cheryl
I think you've got a good shot at it. Heather wrote me that her vet told
her that height is a gene thing--- not a nutrition thing and if the
horse has not been well-fed, he will be the same height as he would have
been but just gangly. Not sure of that theory but I do know that
Russians grow later and I've found joints to be the biggest indicator of
future size--- good luck!
Bette
Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians, Home of 16.2hh TLA Halynov
(yes, REALLY!)
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com

Cheryl Newbanks wrote:
> 
> Yeah this horse I am looking at is out of a Muscat Grandson.  All this
> stud's babies are very small looking when born, but he matured to 15.1h.
> He's in his second crop right now so can't tell how big they'll eventually
> get.  Plus the 2 yr. old that I am looking at for the trade had a tough
> first year, the woman that owned the mare didn't take good care of them and
> so the stud's owner bought them from her when the colt was 1, or something
> like that.  So I'd say he was starved in his first year, and then not that
> well fed in his second year either.  He is a body score of 4.5 right now, I
> like to see at least a 5-6 in a growing horse.  He isn't tall, but his legs
> are HUGE, he may be 13.3h right now and he just turned 2, but he is all
> legs, I am going to measure for height and weight tonight.  My vet knows the
> horse and doesn't think he'll reach full potential.  I think he's young
> enough that if I get him now I may make a difference where he'll actually
> reach his potential.  What do you all think?
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kathy Mayeda <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>
> To: Bette Lamore <woa@stormnet.com>; Cheryl Newbanks
> <horsetrails@cybertrails.com>
> Cc: Ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:58 PM
> Subject: RE: Russian Arabs
> 
> > My horse Beau is only 1/4 Russian but he did grow an inch and changed his
> > shape considerably last year as an 8-yo.He has Polish and the dam side and
> > the other 1/4 is Crabbett, so who knows?  I know that they say that Muscat
> > babies specifically mature slower.  I believe that, too because my mare
> > (Beau's 1/2 sister by the Russian/Crabbet sire) was just ordinary looking
> at
> > 5-yo, but as a 6 and 7 year old, her face "dried up" and she became
> > extraordinarily beautiful compared to her gangly 4-yo body.
> >
> > Kathy Mayeda
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bette Lamore [mailto:woa@stormnet.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 5:00 PM
> > To: Cheryl Newbanks
> > Cc: Ridecamp
> > Subject: RC:   Russian Arabs
> >
> > Yes, Cheryl
> > It is VERY true! I look at my Russian breds as anywhere between 1-2
> > years younger than they actually are until they reach 7. My friend,
> > well-known Los Alamitos (now in FLA) trainer and breeder of Russians
> > stopped nominating her offspring for Drinkers of the Wind and Daughters
> > of the Desert (3 year old futurities---BIG MONEY) because they were not
> > mature enough to run by three.
> > I sold Halyva Guy to Red Shield Equestrian 2 years ago; Hal was 5 years
> > old and an honest 15hh. Frank called me a few weeks ago and reported
> > that he is now 15.2 at 7 years old and Frank said he swears he is still
> > growing. I'll have to check back in a year.
> > Russians are not the only ones to mature late. Sheila Varian told me
> > that hers also mature quite late---achieving much growth between 5 and
> > 7.
> > Good things are worth waiting for!<BG>
> > Bette
> > Bette Lamore
> > Whispering Oaks Arabians, Home of TLA Halynov
> > http://www.arabiansporthorse.com
> > I've learned that life is like a roll of toilet paper, the closer it
> > gets to the end, the faster it goes. Smell the roses!
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Newbanks wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if it's true that the Russian bred Arabs mature later
> then
> > > the other breeds such as Polish and Egyptian or just mis-information?
> My
> > > friend breeds Russian lines and her babies are very small compared to
> > > others.  She said her stud was like that and never reached his full
> 15.1h
> > > until he was 7.  She said that it seemed like he'd never grow. The foals
> > are
> > > very very small when born too.  Makes no sense to me since the stud and
> > > mares are good sizes.  She has a 2 year old that is only 13.2-13.3
> hands,
> > > he's all legs.  His legs look like a much bigger horse's in length and
> > bone
> > > size (bigger and longer then my 14.2h two year old's) ,plus he has
> approx
> > > size ONE feet, but his body doesn't match those long legs and feet.  The
> > > only thing I have to compare to is my 2 year old polish filly who is
> > pretty
> > > much growing in porportion to her body size.
> > >
> > >                                     Cheryl Newbanks
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