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Re: Correction to Difficult story PAC

Thank you Elaine for clearing up the mystery of Christy Janzen's 20 minute
hold at Ck.#4.   Having observed and helped Christy on several big
international rides I know she and her pit crew are too experienced to have
presented Tang to P/R wihout being certain her pulse was really down.  When
you factor in the fact that even with a 20 minute hold at the last vet
check, Christy finished only 9 minutes behind first and second, then she
went on to take BEST CONDITIONED HORSE over nine other top finishers.

Roberta Carleton

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne/Elaine Delbeke <>
To: Rides 2 Far <>; ridecamp <>
Date: August 8, 1999 2:51 PM
Subject: RC: Correction to Difficult story PAC

>Just a note re Christy's 20 minute penalty.  I talked to a crew member at
>site last night and Christy's mom this morning.  Apparently, Tang's pulse
>at 52 when they took her over.  The pulse was then taken for 60 seconds and
>they were told it was 61.  That was it.  She just lost 20 minutes.  Since
>Christy and Tank usually do best in the last half of the races, it is even
>sadder that this had to happen at the last vet check.
>Life sure doesn't seem fair sometimes.  A pulse of 61 would be awfully hard
>to call you'd think.
>Rides 2 Far wrote:
>> >What really happened was that she took a 20 minute penalty at
>> >VC 4.  Under FEI rules - if you present too early for P&R -
>> >and don't make it - you have a 30 minute penality.  Thru some
>> >process I don't understand yet - it ended up a 20 minute
>> This really stinks royally.  (and I'm in the East)  Of all the FEI rules
>> I think this is the worst. Not to take anything away from the winner,
>> this is just a rule I don't agree with and this gives me a chance to
>> point out why.
>>  In a stockcar race a MAJOR penalty is losing ONE lap.  That's 1/500th of
>> the distance of the race.  If these horses are traveling 10mph (6 minute
>> miles)a 30 minute penalty would set them back 5 miles!!!!!  1/20 of the
>> race.  I've always considered it ample penalty to simply make the early
>> presenter walk out the back exit to P&R and have to circle all the way
>> around to re-enter at the in-gate.  A three minute penalty would be
>> sufficient in my mind....10 minutes is darned near excessive.  30 is
>> rediculous.
>> When I was a groom at the North American it was my job to tell my rider
>> when to present.  I hated it.  Our horse would be 56 and I was still
>> terrified to O.K.  him to go in.  Here  in the Southeast your time stops
>> when you enter the P&R area.  In Arizona I took our horse's pulse (just
>> standing around in a crowd, not in any designated area) and announced he
>> was down (he was whatever criteria was on the dot).  Before I could say a
>> word an official stepped up and took it, as if I'd called for him.  I was
>> just telling my rider he was down, not saying I wanted to present.  We
>> could have been ruined by that.
>> Christie obviously wouldn't be stupid enough to take the horse in when it
>> wasn't down, so I assume its pulse jumped when it entered the P&R area.
>> I suppose she gambled that 60 would stay 60 and others were being
>> paranoid and waiting for a good solid 56.  I guess that's all strategy,
>> but I bet this leaves a bad taste in lots of people's mouths whereas the
>> usual P&R methods do not.  Who came up with the 30 min. penalty?  Since I
>> don't know of any AERC ride that uses it, I'm just curious whose idea
>> that was.
>> Angie McGhee & Kaboot
>> Wildwood, GA
>> I would not change my horse with any that treads.  When I bestride him I
>> soar; I am a hawk.
>> Shakespeare
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