ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: Vaccinations and immune malfunction

Re: Vaccinations and immune malfunction

Julie Coats (Julie_Coats@ncsu.edu)
Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:39:01 -0400

Trish,
I do agree with some statements you made. Yes, maybe we do
vaccinate our cats to often and researchers and vets.
are looking into maybe changing protocol where we might be
able to vacc. less, but it is still important to vaccinate.
I have to disagree with the statement 1 out of 10 cats
get cancer from vaccinations. Yes, some do but it is more like
1 to 100 out of 100,000. I am speaking from our veterinarian
oncologists research on the subject, and believe me it is a hot
topic now.
I still have to say after seeing positive horses for rabies come
in to our hospital, I will always vaccinate, for my own saftey.
Just my personal opinion.

At 10:39 AM 10/16/97 -0400, Trishmare@aol.com wrote:
>Dear ridecampers, do to the volume of mail I've received on this topic I'm
>sending this post to the group, rather than individulally.
> My research into vaccines began 10 years ago, when I was pregnant and
>under the care of a holistically oriented lay mid-wife. The basic gist of
>what I've discovered is this:
> Vaccines stress the immune system. It is a healthy immune system, NOT a
>lack of germs in the environment, which prevents disease. There are ALWAYS
>germs in the environment. Vaccines are an unnatural stess to the immune
>system. The method in which the virus/bacterium get into the body in
>vaccinations is not dublicated anywhere in nature. A pathogens usual methods
>of entry--the natural methods--set off alarm bells in the body, and the
>immune system has time to "rev up" as it were. Think of two enemy armies at
>war--the "natural" method of fighting is to march toward each other until
>within fireing range, or to attempt to sneak up on the enemy. IN either
>case, marching toward one another or knowing the enemy will sneak up on you
>if he is able, you are put into a state of being "on guard." You keep your
>gun oiled, your senses alert--ready to fire at the first sign of the enemy.
> But suppose you do not know the enemy is anywhere near. Your at rest,
>playing cards, guns unloaded etc.--suppose into such an "at rest" camp, an
>invading army suddenly got "beamed." The kind of chaos you can imagine in
>such a camp is the same sort of chaos the body is thrown into with injected
>vaccines. Rather than confronting an immune system which is reved up an on
>the alert, the pathogens face an immune system which is suddenly and
>desperately trying to play "catch up" in face of a threat which set off no
>alarms on its approach.
> We are told the danger is not much--the viruses used are killed and/or
>weakend. But these "altered" viruses have their own unique dangers. The
>body often does not percieve them as a threat, and instead of responding to
>them ACUTELY the body gives a half-hearted CHRONIC response. (an "acute"
>response is a sudden and violent reaction to something, a "chronic" response
>is usually much less violent, but ever on-going.)
> For example, if you get a flu shot as child (or any other vaccine you
>care to name), you may never get a case of full blown flu--and everyone
>thinks, hey the flu vaccine worked! But you know, in the future you have
>many, many days where you feel "off" or "not well." You get a lot of colds,
>and just think you're whole life, "well, I'm just really susceptible to
>colds"--or you develop adult onset asthma, or maybe MS, or you develop some
>sort of immune system related disease such as lupus, or cancer--what has
>happened is that your body did not respond vigourously and acutely to the
>altered flu germs--they were killed or weakend, they came in by a route the
>body could not recognize as an invasion, they set off no alarm bells which
>would have triggered the immune system into a state of high alert. Instead,
>the body sets up a late and weak counter-offense to a threat it does not
>fully recognize--and sort of half-heartedly fights the flu CONTINUOUSLY from
>then on. Not enough of a battle to cause symptoms, not even enough that you
>are much aware of it (except on those days when you tire easily, or feel
>"off," or sort of feel like you're "coming down with something" which never
>fully manifests). The immune system, marvelous wonder of nature that it is,
>can nevertheless only fight a battle on so many fronts at once--if it is
>constantly fighting low grade flu, anytime it is stressed with more germs,
>exhaustion, whatever, it has that much less energy to respond. The more
>things we are fighting at any one time, the more likely we are to get sick.
> (Multiple shots, anyone?)
> Look at the Gulf War bets--those poor people received every shot in the
>book, all at once, and then were thrown into a totally foreign environment
>under high stress conditions. Now, years later, military hospitals are
>choked with people suffering mysterious, hard to treat, and hard to diagnose
>Gulf War Syndrome! Doctors say they are stumped, for the range of symptoms
>experienced by the vets seem to cover all diseases! I wonder why! (As
>stated, these people got every shot in the book, nearly--shot s which covered
>all diseases for which there was a shot available--). Holistic practitioners
>PREDICTED this outcome--they were ignored.
> Also, an immune system stressed in this fasion may begin, after a time,
>to respond to the entire body in a chronic fasion. When tthis happens, the
>immune system attacks the body itself, as a foreign invader--we call it
>auto-immune disease. Auto-immune diseases have just skyrocketed in the years
>since mass innoculations became the norm. So has adult onset asthma, another
>auto-immune response. So has childhood allergies and asthma.
> Not only in humans--every species of animal which is the "beneficiary"
>of mass innoculations, dogs, cats, livestock,--has seen an unprecidented rise
>in mysterious auto-immune diseases since the advent of vaccines. Even many
>"traditional" veterinarians report that they see a link between vaccinations
>and diseases such as EPM, feline lukiemia, canine allergies etc.
> One out of every 10 cats develop skin cancer at the point of
>vaccination--and in response to this veterinarians are suggesting cats should
>not receive thier shots at the usual point of injection--between the shoulder
>blades--as the many nerves there make removal of the skin tumors difficult.
> Hmmm, maybe the cat ought not receive the shots at all, eh?
> All of this is only the tip of the iceberg, as far as the information I
>have on vaccines and immune malfunction. I hope the post is helpful to those
>of you who wrote requesting additional discussion--sorry I could not respond
>to everyone individually--I'd be here for two-weeks. But please feel free to
>e-mail privately if you've more questions, if I get too many requests, I'll
>post to ridecamp as long as that is OK with Steph--(myself, I do feel the
>health of our horses is a relevant topic, but that is only my opinion--)
>
>Trish & "pretty, & non-vaccinated, David"
>
>
>
Julie R.Coats, A.H.T.
Cardiac Research Technician
NCSU College of Veterinary Medicine

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