ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #615

Re: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #615

Nancy Reinhardt (theHorselady@worldnet.att.net)
Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:26:07 -0600

ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net wrote:
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> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 615
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> Today's Topics:
> Chronic Tying up
> re: tying up
> HELP!
> Re: carrying weight
> horse with chronic "tie up"
> Re: weight
> Re: weight
> Re: Nikki's "tuck and roll" method
> Re: weight
> is ridecamp broken ??
> Aladinn lines
> Re: Nikki's "tuck and roll" method
> "Tying Up" - Some information's here, but long!
> horse for sale
> weight discussion
> Weight discussion
> Re: weight
> Re: Weight discussion
> Re: Weight discussion
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:43:39 -0400
> From: Martin and Susan Felker <felker@swva.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Chronic Tying up
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> I have a friend who had a mare with this problem. When she was turned
> out and just ridden lightly, she was fine. Anything more serious in the
> way of exercise and she would tie up without fail. My friend put her on
> the Cornell U. diet for horses with this problem and it helped a great
> deal. The mare still was not okay for serious work, so she sold her as a
> pleasure horse with full disclosure of the problem.
>
> Ask your vet to find out about the Cornell diet for tying up. It
> involves a LOT of oil--something like 2 cups per day.
>
> Susan Felker
> Black Ridge Arabians
> http://www.swva.net/blackridge
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: karen Clanin <kclanin@fix.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: re: tying up
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> Something no one on the list has suggested is looking BEYOND diet
> for the reason of a chronic tying up horse. Nearly two years ago we had this
> problem with a mare, we searched and searched, had vets from all over the
> country (including Kentucky Equine Research) and Europe involved in this
> problem. They all went the "diet" route also.
>
> Finally one day we found heat in a fetlock, had it xrayed and she
> has djd in that fetlock, she was compensating for the discomfort although
> was never diagnosable lame, and tying up.
>
> Six months off and the addition of joint supplements to her diet and
> she has been back to work for the past 18 months with never a hint of a tie
> up, xrays one year later show no change in the joint.
>
> While in many cases the problem for tying up IS diet, just
> suggesting that perhaps looking further may bring an answer.
>
> Karen Clanin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:24:13 -0700
> From: Peter <lehner@iafrica.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: HELP!
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> To whom it may concern
>
> I visited your website a while ago and I don't remember leaving my
> address, but I suppose I must have, because I accessed my mail today,
> only to find over 1000 messages that had been forwarded from you .
> Please, please don't send any more !
>
> Yours,
> Amy Lehner
>
> lehner@iafrica.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:40:12 -0700
> From: Susan Evans Garlinghouse <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
> To: K S Swigart <katswig@deltanet.com>
> CC: Tina Hicks <hickst@nichols.com>, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: carrying weight
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> > On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Tina Hicks wrote:
> >
> > > Regarding the weight discsussion, does the weight a horse loses during a
> > > race factor at all into his ability to handle the load from beginning to end
> > > of the day? Or is that loss insignificant to the overall load?
>
> Kathy Swigart wrote:
> > Since a horse will lose between 50 and 100 lbs during the course of a
> > ride, one would assume that if weight were a factor, that this amount of
> > weight would not be considered insignificant;
> >
> > however, since all the horses are going to be losing weight during the
> > ride.
>
> There was a nifty study done several years ago at the ROC that measured
> weight loss in individual horses through the ride---weighing the horses
> numerous times throughout the day and afterwards.
>
> I don't have the study here in front of me, but I seem to remember that
> the more successful horses lost less weight throughout the day than did
> horses that pulled or finished at the back of the pack. Since this WAS
> the ROC, I would assume that relatively little of the differences in
> weight loss could be attributed to an inexperienced horse not drinking
> enough. There are probably other factors that could also attribute to
> differences in weight loss, but I thought it was interesting that the
> horses that did the best were those that lost the least amount of
> weight. As in the results of my previously described study, it would
> seem that there are instances in which carrying more weight on the horse
> in the form of water weight, a little body fat, etc., seems to be an
> advantage.
>
> I can't remember who the author was, it MIGHT have been Laurie Lawrence
> from University of Kentucky, but also might have been Gayle Ecker from
> Guelph, who's lurking on the list occasionally.
>
> Susan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:19:22 -0700
> From: Laney Humphrey <laneyh@mbay.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: horse with chronic "tie up"
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> Thanks one and all for your input! I just love this group because everyone
> is willing to share ideas and experiences! I'm going to pass all the
> suggestions along to the owner.
> I failed to mention that the horse lives in central coastal California
> where such a thing as grass hay is just about unheard of and its going to
> be really hard to even find oat hay this winter because of the rains a year
> ago that wiped out the once-a-year crop.
> Karin: I think you are thinking along the same track that I am - it is not
> real tie up and could very well be djd somewhere. The chiropractor who
> treated the horse diagnosed a hip imbalance and recommended corrective
> shoeing for that but your description of your husband's mare makes me think
> that there may be something going on in some joint after all the miles this
> horse has given his rider. Especially if he has been compensating for an
> imbalance. I'll strongly suggest joint supplements.
> Thanks again, everyone, for all your input. I'll keep you posted. This
> is a wonderful horse - the kind that makes us proud to be owners of Arabs.
> He deserves to be helped.
> Happy trails, Laney
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> >Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
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> >From: karen Clanin <kclanin@fix.net>
> >Subject: re: tying up
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> > Something no one on the list has suggested is looking BEYOND diet
> >for the reason of a chronic tying up horse. Nearly two years ago we had this
> >problem with a mare, we searched and searched, had vets from all over the
> >country (including Kentucky Equine Research) and Europe involved in this
> >problem. They all went the "diet" route also.
> >
> > Finally one day we found heat in a fetlock, had it xrayed and she
> >has djd in that fetlock, she was compensating for the discomfort although
> >was never diagnosable lame, and tying up.
> >
> > Six months off and the addition of joint supplements to her diet and
> >she has been back to work for the past 18 months with never a hint of a tie
> >up, xrays one year later show no change in the joint.
> >
> > While in many cases the problem for tying up IS diet, just
> >suggesting that perhaps looking further may bring an answer.
> >
> >Karen Clanin
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:37:47 -0700
> From: Susan Evans Garlinghouse <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
> To: Joe Long <jlong@mti.net>
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: weight
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> As the rider's body is accelerated upward
> > every second stride of the horse, and falls back on the in-between
> > strides, the horse must be providing the energy for that acceleration.
> > Whereas, a rider who maintains his body up out of the saddle at a
> > trot, absorbing the up-and-down motion of the horse by flexing his
> > knees, does not place that burden on the horse. Does this make sense?
> > What are some other opinions on this?
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I have very little experience in riding for thousands of miles in
> two-point vs. posting, so your comments are very interesting. Would
> riding in two-point put more pressure on the horse's back focused over
> where the stirrup bars are---especially in a HW? Someone asked me this
> and although that would make sense in a traditional English saddle,
> maybe the more spohisticated endurance saddles distribute the weight
> better along the back? Is this how you ride? Neat stuff, looking
> forward to comments.
>
> Susan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:18:56 GMT
> From: "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: weight
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> On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:58:35 -0700, Kimberly Price
> <PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > For example, do you post a lot during a
> >race to help keep the weight off the horse? =20
>
> This question was directed at Bob, but I'd like to comment on this.
> It's as much a question as an observation.
>
> I feel that the technique of posting was developed for the comfort of
> the rider, not the horse. As the rider's body is accelerated upward
> every second stride of the horse, and falls back on the in-between
> strides, the horse must be providing the energy for that acceleration.
> Whereas, a rider who maintains his body up out of the saddle at a
> trot, absorbing the up-and-down motion of the horse by flexing his
> knees, does not place that burden on the horse. Does this make sense?
> What are some other opinions on this?
>
> (Of course, posting is clearly superior to just sitting on the saddle
> bouncing on the horse's back!)
>
> --=20
>
> Joe Long
> jlong@mti.net
> Business Page http://www.mti.net
> Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:29:11 GMT
> From: "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Nikki's "tuck and roll" method
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> On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:56:42 -0700, Reynolds <jakar@aiinc.com> wrote:
>
> >This time, when I saw my horse's head and neck disappear
> >under his front, my first reaction was to throw my hands out in front of
> >me, but on the way down, I realized I might break my wrists if I
> >braced. (You really DO have time to think a little during these
> >incidents!) Instead, I used my arms just to break the fall a little bit
> >and tucked my chin and that made me roll forward and out of Jakar's
> >way. I ended up about 15 feet in front of him and bounced right up to
> >my feet. =20
>
> The reason that broken wrists and forearms are a common result from
> falls it our natural instinct to put our arms out in front to
> "protect" ourselves. Nikki did it the right way.
>
> In a fall, once you know you cannot recover and are going to the
> ground, you want to tuck your head and arms to your chest and try to
> land on a shoulder, rolling as you hit the ground. This prevents
> taking full force on a fragile wrist or forearm bone, takes the impact
> on strong muscle mass, and the rolling decelerates you more gradually
> so that the impact forces are less. Also, as Nikki observed, rolling
> decreases the chance that the horse will fall on you.
>
> The worst injury I've had from a fall in ten years is rope burn on my
> fingers from braided reins being pulled out of my hand (another good
> reason for using biothane!).
>
> --=20
>
> Joe Long
> jlong@mti.net
> Business Page http://www.mti.net
> Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:12:03 GMT
> From: "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Cc: suendavid@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Re: weight
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> On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:37:47 -0700, Susan Evans Garlinghouse
> <suendavid@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >I have very little experience in riding for thousands of miles in
> >two-point vs. posting, so your comments are very interesting. Would
> >riding in two-point put more pressure on the horse's back focused over
> >where the stirrup bars are---especially in a HW? Someone asked me this
> >and although that would make sense in a traditional English saddle,
> >maybe the more spohisticated endurance saddles distribute the weight
> >better along the back? Is this how you ride? Neat stuff, looking
> >forward to comments.
>
> The weight in the stirrups is borne by the stirrup leathers, but they
> attach to the saddle tree which (if the saddle is properly designed
> and fits properly) will distribute the weight over the entire contact
> area between saddle and horse.
>
> Although I post some (poorly), most of my time at a trot or canter is
> up out of the saddle, with knees flexing, my feet going up and down
> with the horse and my body staying amost level.
>
> --=20
>
> Joe Long
> jlong@mti.net
> Business Page http://www.mti.net
> Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:21:13 -0400
> From: "Frank W. Vans Evers" <vans@cyberspy.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: is ridecamp broken ??
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> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank W. Vans Evers
> mailto:vans@cyberspy.com or mailto:vans@ccfs.centcom.mil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:36:57 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Shoafy@aol.com
> To: Buymyemu@aol.com
> cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Aladinn lines
> Message-ID: <970920163520_517491165@emout11.mail.aol.com>
>
> I read your post about your questions regarding Bask and Aladinn so here is
> my experience (which is all I have in the knowledge dept. in this area)
> I have 2 mares with Aladinn as their grandfather. One is a beautiful
> plug...she hates to go but does like to pull a cart. There is also alot of
> Bask in her lineage. The other mare I bought because she looked like a
> racehorse and that is exactly what she is. She loves to go and does it well.
> Her greatgrandfather is Ivanhoe Tsultan but she has some Bask on her dam's
> side as well. These horses are as different as night and day which in this
> case means to me that their Aladinn heritage means nothing in the
> predictability department. The one that looks like she can go does and the
> other one that looks pretty does looking pretty the best. Who knows? Go ride.
>
> Donna in Altoona
> p.s. My "race horse" is pretty too!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:26:55 -0700
> From: Susan Evans Garlinghouse <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
> To: Joe Long <jlong@mti.net>
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Nikki's "tuck and roll" method
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> Nikki wrote:
> > >This time, when I saw my horse's head and neck disappear
> > >under his front, my first reaction was to throw my hands out in front of
> > >me, but on the way down, I realized I might break my wrists if I
> > >braced. Instead, I used my arms just to break the fall a little bit
> > >and tucked my chin and that made me roll forward and out of Jakar's
> > >way. I ended up about 15 feet in front of him and bounced right up to
> > >my feet.
>
> Joe Long wrote:
> > The reason that broken wrists and forearms are a common result from
> > falls it our natural instinct to put our arms out in front to
> > "protect" ourselves. Nikki did it the right way.
> >
> > In a fall, once you know you cannot recover and are going to the
> > ground, you want to tuck your head and arms to your chest and try to
> > land on a shoulder, rolling as you hit the ground. This prevents
> > taking full force
>
> It didn't occur to me until Nikki and Joe described landing this way
> that I remembered this is the classic shoulder roll taught in all the
> martial arts (or at least kenpo). You're not allowed to learn to throw
> someone until you can fling yourself at the ground from practically a
> run and roll over the shoulder and land on your feet, as Nikki just
> described doing on her horse.
>
> OK, this may be an incredibly dumb idea, but if someone had a youngster
> that they wanted to teach to fall correctly, why not take them to a
> martial arts studio, explain to the sensei what you need and have them
> teach the kid how to do a shoulder roll? It's alot easier at first on
> mats, actually alotta fun and may really drill the concept into the head
> so that muscle memory takes over when you DO come off the horse (I envy
> anyone who can ponder the options on the way down...my only thought is
> usally "AAAAAGHHHHHHH!!!!!!")
>
> Just a random thought....:)
>
> Susan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:34:28 -0700
> From: Kim <aliakey@geocities.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: "Tying Up" - Some information's here, but long!
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> One of many of my favorite-to-research subjects... hope this information
> helps you folks out a bit:
>
> "Tying-Up", also known as "slow-onset rhabdomyolysis" usually occurs due
> to an imbalance in the blood's calcium, magnesium, and chloride
> concentration. Energy plays a part in this too... I'll get to that part
> in a minute.
>
> Anyway, when the horse sweats, he (or she) loses calcium, magnesium, and
> chloride. A nasty chain of events can start at this point... when
> enough chloride has been lost, a hypochloremic-induced alkalosis can
> occur. This alkalosis binds calcium, reducing the plasma calcium
> concentration even more. So, you have this sweating, exercising horse
> who has a severely decreased concentration of calcium in his blood. If
> on top of this, he is also stressed (too much excitement, trailer
> anxiety, etc.), he will not be able to mobilize and use calcium from his
> bones or absorb calcium from feed sitting in his intestine due to
> increased corticosteriod levels produced by his body as a reaction to
> the stress.
>
> The horse's working muscles require energy to contract and RELAX. Dead
> critters stiffen up because the muscle cells do not have the energy
> needed to relax (rigor mortis). Now, with a decreased concentration of
> calcium, magnesium, and available muscle energy, effective contraction
> and relaxation is not going to occur as it should. The muscle fibers
> may then produce the "tremors" you see in the horse who is "tying-up",
> cramps, and a whole host of other symptoms which make you wonder if the
> horse is really going to survive!
>
> Now, how do high-calcium feeds play a part in the development of
> "tying-up"? One might think that if the horse's plasma calcium levels
> are too low, that he should be fed more calcium to "fill the blood" with
> as much calcium as possible so that he doesn't get to such a low point
> from sweat losses, binding, etc.
>
> But what happens with high calcium intakes prior to the ride (fed high
> calcium feeds for several weeks to his race date) is that the horse's
> body "get's lazy". Since the feed is providing more than enough of all
> of the calcium that the horse needs, there is a resulting decrease in
> parathyroid hormone secretions, calcium absorbtion from the intestine,
> and a reduced ability to pull calcium from the bones. In other words,
> since the horse is getting all of the calcium he needs easily, his body
> does not "condition" itself to extract calcium from the bones or from
> the intestinal contents when he needs it the most (at a ride). As a
> result, he is unable to replenish his calcium supply lost through sweat,
> which messes up the muscles' contraction/relaxation duties, which
> results in a horse that "ties-up".
>
> A horse on a low calcium diet (which meets, but not significantly
> exceeds his nutritional demands) has to utilize every bit of calcium he
> can get from his feed. When ridden, his body will be more capable and
> EFFECIENT at extracting calcium from the intestines and bones upon
> demand.
>
> But if you have a horse who just can't keep weight on without alfalfa (a
> high calcium feed) and is eating his maximum safe allowance of fats/oils
> and grain, what do you do??? Feed him alfalfa (or mixed with another
> forage preferably) to keep his weight up, but remove the alfalfa 2 to 4
> weeks before the next race and keep the calcium intake low enough to
> just meet his nutritional needs. This should give him enough time to
> "condition" his body to pull calcium when needed, and should reduce the
> possibility of "tying-up". (Of course, we're keeping in mind to change
> the ration slowing by incorporating some of the new ration with the old
> ;-> )
>
> Since this is getting really long (my appologies to those who have to
> pay for time with their service and/or long distance), anyone may e-mail
> me for more info. or with questions. If I don't reply, try again... my
> e-mail has not always been reliable. Disclaimer: I'm not a vet (yet...
> working on it); my information is based strictly on research, other
> vets, and sometimes my own experience (13 years, 270+ horses).
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> Kim ('Lee's mom)
> aliakey@geocities.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:32:02 -0700
> From: "Dale & Ronda Gibbons" <gibbons@ptw.com>
> To: <ridecamp-d@endurance.net>
> Subject: horse for sale
> Message-Id: <199709202331.QAA10089@mail.ptw.com>
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> Registerd Appaloosa gelding 14 yrs. young. Loves trails, english or
> western.
> Great for Adult begginner or intermediate rider. Loves kids, sound and
> athletic.
> I just don't have the time to ride him and my other horse. He needs to be
> ridden
> at least 3 times a week and prefers 5-6 times a week. $1500.00 or trade
> for 2 horse
> trailer. We live at Edwards A.F.B. 2 hours east of LA or 3 hours north of
> San Diego.
>
> Please E-mail if you are interested: gibbons@ptw.com
>
> Ronda Gibbons
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:28:51 +0000
> From: carl meyer <carlmey@citrus.infi.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: weight discussion
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> Please change my post of Weight discussion in regards to PAM to PAC RACE
> Sorry about that!!!!!!
> Carl
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:52:44 +0000
> From: carl meyer <carlmey@citrus.infi.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Weight discussion
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> For all those who think that weight has no bearing on results, I
> recommend reading the results of the PAM race. I fail to find any heavy
> weights in the top 20. Correct me if I'm wrong....
> My main idea in bringing up this weight problem is to develop enough
> interest amongst the membership so as to put pressure on AERC to
> initiate changes in the rules ,i.e. to establish minimum weight (175) in
> races where monied prizes are given, minimum weight in national champion
> races, to classify races as A or B races( A races have minimum
> weilght)(B races have no minimum weight). Class A races give more points
> than Class B races. In Best Condition scoring Weight receives 1 point
> rather than 1/2 point.
> I feel that in order to crown a national champion the rider must not
> spot any riders more than 25-30 lbs. in a race. A rider/horse that wins
> two Class A races must carry 190 lbs. in a championship race, if they
> win three Class A races they must carry 200 lbs. in a championship race.
> In order to be eligble for a championship race rider/horse must finish
> in the top 10 of two Class A races that have more than 10 starters.Any
> rider weighting less than 185 which finishes second to fifth in a Class
> A race picks up 5 lbs. for each Class A race for a maximun handicap of
> 10 lbs., 6-10 place finishers picks up 3.5 lbs. for a maximun of 7 lbs..
> This means that in a championship race the lightest weight would be 182
> lbs............Now then WE HAVE A REAL CHAMPION !!!!!
> Also Class A races must have courses that equate to rock climbing and
> sprinting. Class B races can have any type of course.
> Riders that race in Class B races can win laurels but not National
> Awards....
> Along this line, we have established guidelines to deal with the
> marathon races.....!!!! They're coming!!!!
> Carl Meyer D.V.M.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:33:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Susan Evans Garlinghouse <suendavid@worldnet.att.net> (by way of karen Clanin <kclanin@fix.net>)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: weight
> Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970920172849.1e0fc74e@fix.net>
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>
> riding in two-point put more pressure on the horse's back focused over
> where the stirrup bars are---especially in a HW?
>
> Susan
>
> It would put all of the riders weight in that area if the rider simply stood
> in the stirrups, however if the rider also uses lower thigh/knee pressure
> then that area is accepting part of the weight also. I've ridden two point
> at the trot and canter and lost my stirrups because I don't have enough
> weight in them to keep them.
>
> Re posting being hard on the horses back (in another post) it's only hard on
> the horses back if the rider is not using muscle control and slams down on
> the back, you can come down very lightly if you use your own muscle control.
>
> And regarding sitting at the trot, it again depends upon the rider, the
> smoothness of the horses trot, etc. I've seen some riders sitting at a trot
> (most of us have) that make me cringe for the horse's back, other riders
> more in control of their body can sit the trot and never bobble. 'Course,
> Cato's little brother has a trot to die for as we observed that day we first
> looked at him, I can sit his medium trot and fanny never budges out of the
> saddle seat and believe you me if I were bumpin' his back my aging spine
> would know it long before his did.
>
> Karen
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:18:39 -0700
> From: Sharon Dial <dial@pe.net>
> To: carlmey@citrus.infi.net
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Weight discussion
> Message-ID: <342475EE.42CE@pe.net>
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> If handicapping were implemented, shouldn't there be a system which took
> into account the weight of the horse? In other words, a consideration of
> rider weight to horse weight ratio? Otherwise the l4 hand 750 pound
> horse would be at serious disadvantage implementing Carl's system,
> right?
>
> Sharon
> Temecula, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:14:38 -0700
> From: Lynne Glazer <lglazer@cyberg8t.com>
> To: carlmey@citrus.infi.net
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Weight discussion
> Message-ID: <3424911B.2951@cyberg8t.com>
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> Conte

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