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> From: Kimberly Henneman <vuduvet@utah-inter.net>
>
> By the way, if you look at CDC and WHO data and other historical data,
most
> infectious diseases that we now vaccinate for were ALREADY on the
decrease
> due to natural immunity of the population. There was a little blip of
> polio in 1948 in the UK due to hygiene problems in the cities post-WW2
but
> then was starting to go back down again. THe decrease in disease
incidence
> was already occurring before the advent of vaccinations. Check your
> history if you doubt.
> Kim Henneman,DVM
Given the increase knowledge about how disease is spread, better
sanitation, better treatment protocols, etc., a reduction would make sense.
However, there is nothing to suggest that vaccinations were not responsible
for the dramatic drops after they were introduced. Natural immunity caused
the decrease? I suppose the elimination of smallpox was caused by natural
immunity.
> From: Kimberly Henneman <vuduvet@utah-inter.net>
>
> The idea is to not overdo it and use vaccines judiciously. Proof is
coming
> in that small animals have been HORRIBLY overvaccinated and antibody
titers
> are proving that protection last for years...thus, annual vaccinations
are
> not needed. Cats may only need two-three vaccinations per lifetime. The
> research is starting to come in on horses...Dr. Schultz in
Wisconsin....one
> of the top immunologists in the US...says that bacterins (PHF, Lyme,
> Bordetella, Chlamydia, Strangles) don't cause much immunity. His
research
> and clinical experience leads him to believe that if your horse is
> susceptible to PHF, he is going to get it whether vaccinated or not. It
is
> not vaccine bashing, it is just realizing that they are NOT the be-all
and
> end-all miracles that they have been proposed to be. Recent research in
> cats shows PROOF (peer-reviewed) that malignant fibrosarcomas are caused
in
> 1:500 cats by Feline Leukemia and Rabies vaccines. REcent research in
kids
> shows a possible correlation between DPT vaccinations and adult onset
> asthma. We do antibody titers on animals in our practice and boost only
> when titers are below protective levels and you know what? Most animals
> with competent immune systems do not need annual vaccinations.
> Kim Henneman, DVM
Given the fact, that the vaccine companies are selling protection against
specific diseases, I have no doubt that their vaccination recommendations
err on the side of frequent vaccinations. Food date labels err on the side
of short shelf life for the same reason. (Of course there are no side
effects to throwing away stale food).
The ones that have worked well (e.g., smallpox, rabies) are miracles, but
of course there are many whose effectiveness is at best limited, and they
certainly are not "the be-all and end-all miracles".
This brings up the questions of titers. What is the cost of doing titers?
Can it be done by the owner, or is a vet required? Is there an alternative
- such as a longer vaccination cycle? What would be the vaccination cycle
for the various equine vaccinations (or small animal vaccines for that
matter) for various immunity (titer) confidence levels, (say 75%, 90%, 95%,
99%)? If enough titer checks have been done on animals this information
should be available. I would accept a lower confidence level for rhino in a
non pregnant animal than a pregnant one.
As for rabies, there is no choice (legally or ethically) - fibrosarcomas or
not - well maybe if your cat is strictly indoors.
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> From: Kimberly Henneman <vuduvet@utah-inter.net>
>
> In response to Trish's revelations, here are mine. My horses get tetanus
> annually only and get EEE/WEE every other year. We are doing the same at
> the track and our horses NOT getting vaccinations are the healthiest in
the
> lot. When a horse is claimed, then we have to go through a detox protocol
> and once they have dumped all the junk in their systems do well. You
> cannot however JUST stop vaccinating. You have to take steps to maintain
a
> healthy immune system including diet and maximizing health
> (acupuncture/homeopathy) to boost immune system. As for the dogs, the
> studies are starting to show that distemper and parvo last for years to
> life. AT the most they might need 2 in their lifetimes. Cats: panleuk
> (distemper) probably lasts for minimum of 5 years and probably life. FIP
> is a bad vaccine and might sensitize the animals to the disease (Cornell
> study).
> Kim Henneman, DVM
>
What junk are getting rid of. Certainly not the antibodies. The body hasn't
eliminated the adjunct by the time you get the horse?
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