ridecamp@endurance.net: How 'bout "no start, please?"

How 'bout "no start, please?"

Sue Riegel (riegels@cdsnet.net)
Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:39:54 -0700 (PDT)

Puleese take your discussions to each other directly. You've both destroyed
any semblance of credibility and maturity by your current level of discussion.

At 08:12 PM 4/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Tivers@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Susan,
>>
>> I welcome discussion and I have no personal dislike for your or your writing
>> style. In fact, I'm certain your brain and library are full of information I
>> could use. Our conflict comes about when you dismiss what I know, and have
>> stated, to be true with the old "no proof" statements that basically means
>> that if the tree fell in the forest but David Snow didn't see it fall, then
>> it didn't fall."
>>
>> Hey, the one thing I'm not is a liar. I tell the truth, as I see it, to a
>> fault. When I say that I've had thousands of horses undergo glycogen loading
>> with no ill effects and millions of dollars of winnings as a result, I'm not
>> lying. I don't have the foggiest how glycogen loading will work with
>> endurance horses, but the first few reports coming back are encouraging, but
>> I know for certain that it won't kill horses and will probably provide some
>> significant benefit. I have the practical experience, in overwhelming
>> numbers, to report this to be absolute truth. Why it works, I'm not sure. Why
>> it works better than it does in human athletes, I'm not sure. Whether it will
>> work as well in endurance horses, I'm not sure. But I want to find out all
>> these things--not to sell a bunch of product--he'll I've already given my
>> formulas away--but just to take another step along the learning curve.
>>
>> And my laboratory is all the people you and I are talking to on this list. I
>> want to encourage them to seek knowledge for purely selfish reasons--I want
>> to know this stuff. Meanwhile, I'm willing to take the time to impart any
>> insights I have in return. So, when you tell my laboratory that David Snow
>> has never heard of safe, effective glycogen loading, you're stunting my
>> growth, especially when I know more than David does in this particular
>> application.
>>
>> You see? I know you know your stuff, and I read what you write with interest.
>> You're teaching me a lot. But once in a while, we'll run across something
>> that my own experience tells me is other than what has been published to
>> date--lactic acid causing fatigue, for example. Then I want to get into
>> discussions, but not with someone who is going to start by telling me what
>> I've seen with my own eyes, and through my clients' eyes, thousands of times
>> over, has not been seen by David Snow and thus is not a valid starting point
>> for discussion.
>>
>> If we can begin again on a new basis, I would accept this one: I'm not a
>> liar; you're not a liar. Both of us are fallible in our opinions and
>> extrapolations of our experiences and readings. To the extent that we can
>> share knolwedge that will fill in the gaps of each other's knowledge, that's
>> great. But trust me that I would not suggest to "my laboratory" anything that
>> could cause their animals to become sick or injured--I'm extremely cautious
>> that way.
>>
>> ti
> SOUNDS LIKE THE CHILDREN ARE CRANKY, IS TIME FOR QUIET TIME IN
>ROMPER ROOM?
>
>
>
Sue
"I think therefore I bark..."

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