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UNSUBSCRIBE-PLEEEESE! Iv'e Tried everything thats been asked-What next?

cryo ("cryo@istar.ca"@istar.ca)
Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:38:34 -0700

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ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net wrote:
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 110
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: Shareing the trails
> Feeding hay pellets
> Re: Rice Bran & Beet Pulp
> Re: green brass
> Backing Out of Horse Trailer
> Horse/Rider Compatibility
> Re: Backing Out of Horse Trailer
> Starting
> Thanks
> Re: Yes, pockmarked trails are a problem?
> Re: Backing Out of Horse Trailer
> GPS measurement
> Re: Reins
> Re: Pockmarked trails a problem?
> easyfoam
> No mail !
> Equine IQ & Anthropomorphism
> Re: Equine IQ & Anthropomorphism
> Cryosurgery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:48:04 -0800
> From: "Duncan Fletcher" <dfletche@gte.net>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: Shareing the trails
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> I don't normally like me too posts, but I would like to reemphasize what is
> said here. Manure around camp areas near trailheads should be hauled home
> in the trailer. Manure in back country camp areas where this is not
> feasible should be scattered. If there is no place left to scatter due to
> high use, then the camp site has been over used and shouldn't be used. This
> is critical for our future access to trails.
>
> Duncan Fletcher
> dfletche@gte.net
>
> ----------
> > From: JBagford@aol.com
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Shareing the trails
> > Date: Saturday, February 08, 1997 12:30 AM
> >
> > When we get right down to it, all of us out there on the trails are in
> this
> > together. If we begin fighting among ourselves, we may loose the use of
> our
> > trails. I ride on a trail that is extensively used by horses, bikers and
> > hikers. Yes there are some bikers who are loutish brutes, but guess what?
> > There are some horsemen out there who are every bit as bad! (The hikers
> move
> > to slow for me to see <g>). The majority of both are very polite. Mtn
> bikes
> > do some damage to trails if not properly managed, so do horses. Where I
> ride
> > it is the wildlife (buffalo) that do the most damage. Everyone of us has
> an
> > interest in keeping the trails open. If we work with the Mtn Bikers we
> more
> > than double our strength. Do you have any idea how many more bikers there
> are
> > than horsemen?
> >
> > I don't mean to sound angry, I am not. But I do belive that we need to
> take
> > responsibility for preserving our right to use the trails. To me that
> means
> > bringing only certified weed free hay into any National Park (even where
> it
> > is not required, and other people are just brining any old thing),
> cleaning
> > up all the manure around the trailer (even if it wasn't my horse that
> > "dropped" it), being polite and friendly (even to the uncouth few), and
> > volanteering to help maintain/rebuild trails. Lets not start pointing
> > fingers, because there are quite a few that should be pointed right back
> at
> > us. Horsemen, hikers and bikers are all out on the trail for the same
> > reasons. We love it and we can't imagine living without the beauty and
> > freedom we find there.
> > Jane, UT
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 08 Feb 97 20:59:18 +0100
> From: Lyn.Kamer.@234-49-99.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (Lyn Kamer )
> To: endurance@moscow.com
> Subject: Feeding hay pellets
> Message-Id: <854_9702082136@swimsuit.roskildebc.dk>
>
> From: Lyn Kamer <MUSTANGRDR@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Feeding hay pellets
>
> Tracy,
> I can understand your problems with getting hay, had the same thing in
> Florida where good hay can run $12 - $14/bale. I feed a good grass hay
> here in NJ, but still use alfalfa-corn hay cubes in my feeds. I soak
> them with water before feeding to counter the problems of too much dry
> feed. Actually, it works well because then they get this big mash at
> night with the hay cubes, beet pulp, grain, and supplements along with
> several gallons of water. It helps to get lots of water into the
> horse's system the night before and ensures that they have lots of high
> quality roughage in their guts before we start out. I've had no
> problems with this feeding progam aside from the mess. In the winter I
> soak the feeds with hot water, cold in the summer. It helps to
> counteract the dehydration problems sometimes encountered in winter. If
> you are feeding them dry you may want to try wetting them down first.
>
> Lyn Kamer, C.E.S.M.T. and my Mustangs, the girls: PC and Star
> The Healing Touch of New Jersey
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:40:56 -0800
> From: "Duncan Fletcher" <dfletche@gte.net>
> To: <VMAXEPT@aol.com>, <mdbennett@tva.gov>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: Rice Bran & Beet Pulp
> Message-Id: <199702081851.MAA10251@mail.gte.net>
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> Is this a resurrected old posting? I didn't see the original question. Beet
> pulp contains .62% Ca and 0.09% P. Rice bran contains 0.09% Ca and 1.57% P.
> To keep Ca/P at about 1.4 you need to feed 4 lb of beet pulp for every 1 lb
> of rice bran (ignoring whatever else is being fed). The only study of which
> I am aware would indicate that selective absorption of Ca over P does NOT
> occur. Rather the problem is that excess P blocks the absorption of Ca.
> >From NRC's Nutrient Requirements of Horses: "Even if calcium requirements
> are met, excessive phosphorous intake will cause skeletal malformations
> (Schryver et al., 1971)".
>
> Duncan Fletcher
> dfletche@gte.net
>
> ----------
> > From: VMAXEPT@aol.com
> > To: mdbennett@tva.gov; ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Re: Rice Bran & Beet Pulp
> > Date: Saturday, February 08, 1997 12:02 AM
> >
> > Dave. Well ..from what I can determine.If you feed beet pulp and rice
> bran
> > you are ok since beet pulp is higher in CA ..it offsets the P in rice
> bran..
> > I have NOT ran the ratios to weight to find out close it is..i did read
> how
> > much the Ca to P ratio in beet pulp was..but cant find it.. i have the
> rice
> > barn ratio..on the bag..need to look at the beetpulp...my guess 2
> beetplup to
> > one rice bran would be very good.
> >
> > anyone have these ratios handy???
> >
> > however Jim from ABC says since I feed the ABC Plus and the ABC Rushcreek
> > Minerals ..the horse will do thing he calls selective rejection..i dont
> > really understand it..but it goes like this..
> > when i feed ..force an unbalanced mix.. the horse will go to the free
> choice
> > feeder and take up all the minerals he needs to get balanced ..since he
> is
> > high in P his body will NOT absorb anymore from the mineral mix..he will
> > reject it when it is in his guts..and take up only the parts he needs..
> in
> > this case Ca..
> >
> > I need to work on this one.. but I do trust Jim from ABC..he does know
> his
> > science.
> >
> > The gang dose seem to be taking more min mix since we put them on rice
> bran..
> > but then when i feed more beet pulp they seen to stop taking the
> minerals.
> >
> > you can call them 800 373 5971 ask for jim he is the company..and
> inventor..
> >
> > roger
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 11:43:16 PST
> From: dbenson@juno.com (Diana L. Benson)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: green brass
> Message-ID: <19970208.172049.8335.3.dbenson@juno.com>
>
> Not "grinding" wheel - "buffing" wheel! A buffing wheel is made of soft
> cloth tightly sitched together which can have various compounds added
> for polishing. Mostly used for jewelry.
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 00:28:50 -0500 (EST) RUN4BEAR@aol.com writes:
> >Try fine steel wool....even a small grinding wheel is taking away too
> >much
> >metal and will lessen the life of the brass.
> >
> >Teddy
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 18:39:16 +0000
> From: Jim & Julie Capaldi <hosp@mindspring.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Backing Out of Horse Trailer
> Message-ID: <32FCC803.5FDB@mindspring.com>
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> Help. This is not "endurance specific", but I value your opinion. I
> have this wonderful gelding. Loads great. Walks off trailer if you
> turn him around and lead out head first. Will not, however, back off
> the trailer.
>
> I have a Gore, three horse slant load trailer with permanent rear tack.
> It is a step not a ramp. So far, I have tried front feet first and then
> out. Backing in hand over logs, down hill. etc. He backs right up to
> the edge and when his rear foot touches the rubber guard. It's back up
> to the first stall.
>
> Now, I feel the temper starting to rise. Could really use your
> suggestions. Please e mail me privately, if this isn't a subject
> suitable for discussion. Thanks a million, Julie and Miada.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 00:02:22 +0000
> From: Barbara Madill <WFMADILL.FMF@worldnet.att.net>
> To: K S Swigart <katswig@deltanet.com>
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Horse/Rider Compatibility
> Message-ID: <19970209000219.AAA18681@LOCALNAME>
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>
> I enjoyed your remarks about mares, geldings and stallions. I have been out
> of town and have just caught up with Ridecamp correspondence.
>
> I've enjoyed reading all of the discussion regarding Horse/Rider
> compatibility that took place in the past week.
>
> Kat, perhaps my wording regarding being "herd boss" was a tad strong. I do,
> however, want to be SENIOR partner with my horse (99 % of the time).
>
> It is ironic that the discussion of suitability began with mares, because
> when I returned home, I found my six year old gelding had suddenly reverted
> to the "don't touch my head" behavior he had when I first got him nearly two
> years ago.
>
> I am fortunate to have an excellent trainer of the Ray Hunt, Tom Dorrance,
> Pat Parelli, Buck Brannaman, etc. persuasion who thinks and reads a lot.
> Since this trainer had started my colt as a two year old, I immediately went
> for help!
>
> A few correctly timed minutes made so much difference!
>
> It was a case of my haven taken short cuts and not having spent enough time
> on the basics recently. With short days, holidays, weather challenges,
> etc., I'd given time priorities to my mare, since she is to compete in March.
>
> I feel like a "heel", but am so grateful that I have help so close at hand!
> This gelding is the sort who will work in true partnership, unlike the mare
> who constantly tests my seniority.
>
> Some of the discussion regarding suitability has me wondering if I am
> suitable for this gelding!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 17:16:05 -0700
> From: Tracy Stampke <zebella@idt.net>
> To: hosp@mindspring.com
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Backing Out of Horse Trailer
> Message-ID: <32FD1745.5D9B@mail.idt.net>
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> Jim & Julie Capaldi wrote:
> >
> > Help. This is not "endurance specific", but I value your opinion. I
> > have this wonderful gelding. Loads great. Walks off trailer if you
> > turn him around and lead out head first. Will not, however, back off
> > the trailer.
> >
> > I have a Gore, three horse slant load trailer with permanent rear tack.
> > It is a step not a ramp. So far, I have tried front feet first and then
> > out. Backing in hand over logs, down hill. etc. He backs right up to
> > the edge and when his rear foot touches the rubber guard. It's back up
> > to the first stall.
> >
> > Now, I feel the temper starting to rise. Could really use your
> > suggestions. Please e mail me privately, if this isn't a subject
> > suitable for discussion. Thanks a million, Julie and Miada.
>
> There is an article in the January 97 issue of Western Horseman that is
> titled "Resolving an UN-loading problem"
>
> Seems to be just the info your looking for, even the same type trailer-
> 3horse slant with rear tack. Although they did train the horse to
> unload from that trailer, I believe they ended up buying another without
> the rear tack. Personally, I'm afraid of having the rear tack...I know
> several people who have had wrecks involving the small load area.
>
> If you can't find this article, let me know, I will copy it and snail
> mail it to you.
>
> Tracy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:20:59 -0500
> From: Rob Pew <robertp@ioa.com>
> To: "'Ridecamp@endurance.net'" <Ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Starting
> Message-ID: <01BC15A9.D62163A0@r1-dialup25.ioa.com>
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> I am 45 and started riding at about age 30... The reason I started was =
> to spend more time with my wife... we were both working full time and we =
> both need activities to share.... (she skis with me)... I started with =
> hunting and three day eventing but became interested in endurance riding =
> by helping out at our local 100 mile endurance event and our three day =
> 100 competitive ride located on the Biltmore Estate in Western North =
> Carolina... Since I never really cared for the tight pants and fancy =
> show jackets endurance riding sounded more like me...I really just enjoy =
> riding and being out doors... I do not like standing around shows or =
> worrying about whether or not I am following the local hunt =
> rules.....Also.. the people I have met at endurance and competitive =
> rides are fantastic...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 20:57:39 -0600 (CST)
> From: barker@ionet.net (Bill and Carol Barker)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Thanks
> Message-Id: <199702090257.UAA19840@mail.ionet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thank you for all who answered my e-mail looking for a fellow rider; I have
> located her via this group. The powers of the net never fail to amaze me.
>
> Carol
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:13:15 -0800
> From: Lynne Glazer <lglazer@cyberg8t.com>
> To: KimFue@aol.com
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Yes, pockmarked trails are a problem?
> Message-ID: <32FD40CB.1BAE@cyberg8t.com>
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> The article wasn't really anti-horse, once you got past the sensational
> first paragraph.
>
> Think you're probably right about no riding for some days after it rains
> at Casper, at least not an endurance ride. It looked like a moonscape
> the next day on a trail ride, and was drying rapidly that way.
>
> I'm a little mystified about how to fix the damage. If the ground was
> wet, it could be harrowed, but dry, I have no idea.
>
> Lynne
> and Rem-member Me
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:58:51 -0500 (EST)
> From: Sbeseda@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net, RBeseda@aol.com, chart@twave.net
> Subject: Re: Backing Out of Horse Trailer
> Message-ID: <970208215851_1711302229@emout06.mail.aol.com>
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> I had a bad experience with my new trailer and my horse
> backing out. My old trailer had an inside door that allowed
> me to open the back door and not worry about my horse
> stepping out. My new trailer has only one door.
>
> Loading Catfish, my horse, into my new trailer was fine, but
> the problem occurred when I went to unload. I opened the back
> door forgetting that Catfish had not been trained to stand until
> I cued him to walk back. He saw the door behind him open out
> and started stepping back. His lead was tied, but the slack was
> enough to allow him to get into his step down before it went
> tight. I could see this as it was happening, but I was out of position
> to do anything to stop it. I sucked in my breath and watched.
>
> God was on this fool’s side that day. The lead went tight and then
> broke allowing Catfish to finish his step down. I was there before
> he before his other back leg touched the ground. We walked on
> out and I lead him out into the field. We walked around for several
> minutes while I recovered from the scare.
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:36:34 -0800
> From: Jim Mitchell <navion@lsbsdi2.lightspeed.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: GPS measurement
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> Since I got several questions on my GPS unit I thought I would answer them here.
>
> The older GPS units (which I have one also) only gave the mileage from point to point
> and even though you could have routes with 20 points or so it still didn't give accurate
> trail mileages. The new units (like within the last year or so) now have an odometer
> function that constantly sums the distances your traveling and keeps that sum. I heard
> one unit records a point every 4 seconds and then straight lines between those points
> for the odometer. That would be good enough with minimal error. However my unit says it
> updates every 1 second or continously in the standard mode so now even that error seems
> to have been reduced. I rode with it today with the antenna suction cupped to my helmut
> and it worked great. Again there are no trees where I rode.
> I would be worried about its accuracy in the forest, this GPS tracks 8 satelites but
> only needs three for 2D accuracy. It says it will continue functioning even if trees or
> whatever block some satelites as long as 3 are still in view. I will try it in our
> forests at some point and give you some feedback. Obviously it would depend on how dense
> the forest is.
> I got all kinds of comments on my look with the antenna sprouting from the top of my
> helmut. That might be a bother to some people. The cord ran from the antenna down to the
> small unit which I carried in the front pocket of my wind shell. This unit uses 4 AA
> batteries and says they will last 12 to 20 hours. It has a fuel gauge graph that tells
> the condition of the batteries. Judging by my ride today of 4.5 hours I would say they
> will last about 10 to 12 hours but I don't know yet.
> This unit stores your route in it's memory and can sort of draw it on the moving map.
> It saves up to 768 points for your route. It picks the points based on direction changes
> or at set time intervals at your choice. Today I left it on automatic and it used 725
> points in our 19.5 mile ride. This would be a point about every 150 feet. The points
> would be closer on the winding parts and farther apart on the straighter parts. You
> could set it on time and get points at whatever interval you wanted. You can buy the
> download/upload software and cord for this unit and download data to your PC and then
> print it out to any scale. This would enable you to overlay a USGS map and get accurate
> trail positions. I'm not sure how many points it will download but I would hope all 768
> of them. But this is not how it does the odometer so the odometer is more accurate than
> that.
> I bought mine at WestMarine which is a boating chain and they have a catalog and mail
> order. I don't have their 800 # but their local # is 805-654-8233.
>
> The costs follow:
> Garmin GPS45XL List around $300.00 Reg discount $250.00 on sale now $199.99
> Suction cup cord to detach and remote antenna $23.99
> Soft foam case to help impact damage $11.95
> PC software & cable $89.99
>
> I didn't buy the PC kit but probably will have to now.
> I'll try it at 20 Mule team so it will be interesting.
>
> Jim Mitchell
> Bakersfield, Ca.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:10:46 PST
> From: dbenson@juno.com (Diana L. Benson)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Reins
> Message-ID: <19970208.225529.8335.11.dbenson@juno.com>
>
> I have a set of the long tailing biothane reins. I cut them in half to
> add a brass ring in the center for a rommel (sp). I folded the ends
> over at the ring and tightly wrapped them with black electrical tape. Looks fine and doesn't gum up like duct tape. Also, it should break apart
> if the horse steps on it. (or I, Heaven forbid, become entangled while
> in unplanned dismount! <g>)
>
> Diana Benson
>
> <Sully@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> writes:
> >REPLY TO 02/07/97 23:29 FROM ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: Reins
> >
> >
> >From: VMAXEPT@aol.com
> >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 02:28:05 -0500 (EST)
> >To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> >Subject: Re: Reins
> >
> >I had a REAL problem not once but twice.. with biothaine reins.. the
> horse
> >did step thru them..they were the short reins..since i used a long
> tailing
> >line vs the reins.. well the head came up the reins pulled under the
> >elbow..the leg came up the front came up the horse started to go
> over..in a >creek near a pile of rocks and a cement bridge. the reins
> had the squeeze >type sanp ends LUCKY I was able to reach up and
> release the reins....then >it happended again.. in another ride. i cut
> ALL my bio reins in half.. >over-lapped and taped with duct tape.. i can
> pull it apart..i will never use a >solid loop rein.. i like bio but it
> never breaks..
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:03:29 PST
> From: dbenson@juno.com (Diana L. Benson)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Pockmarked trails a problem?
> Message-ID: <19970208.225529.8335.10.dbenson@juno.com>
>
> I guess we are lucky here in the Ozarks. Any mountain bikers, (even the
> dudes on cheap bikes!), dirt bikers, or four wheelers have ALWAYS been
> very polite. They generally stop and, in the case of motorized toys,
> shut down when they see a horse & rider - and if not, they at least stop
> moving.
>
> People on horseback MUST ALSO TAKE responsibility, too, for good trail
> behavior. In the case of motor vehicles, I CAN hear it coming and they
> can't hear me so it is more possible for me to get out of their way. As
> for the mountain biker, keep your wits about you and watch the trail
> ahead just as you would for downed trees, bounding deer etc. Also
> remember, if that mountain biker is climbing a hill, he isn't going to
> want to stop and lose his momentum.
>
> Just thinking, the only thoughtless people I have encountered on the
> trails here have been group trail riders on horseback who did not want
> to let another going faster pass by. And they weren't rude, just not
> thinking.
>
> Diana Benson
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 11:27:25 -0500 (EST) SandyDSA@aol.com writes:
> >In a message dated 97-02-07 22:48:17 EST, you write:
> >
> >>...since the bikers are the ones terrorizing people on horses, children
> on
> >>ponies, walkers with babies in strollers, etc.
> >
> >>...All groups have rude people but I know that most bikers are not this
> way.
> >>Everybody just wants to be able to ride and run on their local trails.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:34:18 -0700
> From: Tracy Stampke <zebella@idt.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: easyfoam
> Message-ID: <32FD61DA.4BCD@mail.idt.net>
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> Is anyone out there using the easyfoam & boots over shoes? This is
> something that I want to try, but I'm a little unsure as to how to get
> the boots off with the foam...from what I heard it's tough.
>
> Do you put the boots on before you trailer to the ride? Wait till the
> night before...the morning of?
>
> I also heard of people leaving the boots on for up to 6 weeks..anyone
> done this?
>
> Tracy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 04:25:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: Desertridr@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: No mail !
> Message-ID: <970209042510_2026310897@emout08.mail.aol.com>
>
> I guess I have been dumped from list again. Can you tell me how to
> subscribe to the digest? Do I access it the same way as mail?
>
> Thank you...
>
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:21:23 +0000
> From: Barbara Madill <WFMADILL.FMF@worldnet.att.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Equine IQ & Anthropomorphism
> Message-ID: <19970209142116.AAB13673@LOCALNAME>
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>
> Many years ago our local Arabian club had a speaker who expounded on equine
> I.Q. and behavior in general. He was obviously NOT a horseperson (BUT he
> DID have a Federal grant to study the horses). He seemed genuinely
> surprised that horses seemed to show many of the "emotions" of humans,
> showing mares affection for offspring, jealousy of stallions, etc.
> However, he was emphatic that horses learned only be observation and could
> not accomplish anything that was not either instinctive or learned.
> At the time I had a mare who had learned to "help" me slide open her stall
> door (requiring a RIGHT to LEFT HEAD MOTION) as I grained the three horses
> each evening. I theorized that, if all equine behavior was "rote", she
> would not be able to reverse the procedure to let herself INTO her stall
> (requiring a LEFT to RIGHT HEAD MOTION).
> So, one evening I led her into the barn aisle, and poured her grain into
> her feed bucket, closing the stall door to the position it was each evening
> as she "helped" me. I said, "Go into your stall," just as I had frequently
> when the door was open. There was not a moment's hesitation as she used the
> necessary head motion.
>
> A friend kept her weanlings in a paddock between her house and the main barn
> for several reasons. She could keep an eye on them, and they had to
> socialize with humans on the way to and from the barn.
> There was a corn crib at the end of the paddock and a favorite "game" the
> weanlings (many foal crops, not just one) devised was to "grab the corn
> cob". The object was to gain possession, and some of the chases were
> hilarious to watch. One day one of the colts stopped, watching the play. He
> then went to the corn crib, picked up a fresh cob and ran to the group,
> trying to entice the others to chase him. They started, but then, as a
> unit, seemed to decide that the newcomer was not THE object of the game and
> resumed the chase of the original corn cob and its possessor!
>
> It is my observation that horses have a sense of humor, but not if the joke
> is on them. One of my young horses was romping in his paddock after an ice
> storm and skidded harmlessly on a patch of ice. It and I laughed. The colt
> looked in my direction, apparently not having noticed me earlier. He then
> returned (STOMPED would have been an accurate description) to the ice patch
> and demolished it!
>
> It is also my observation that, while we should not attribute HUMAN behavior
> to animals, perhaps we are ALSO ANIMALS and share many of their emotions and
> general behaviors. We HOPE that we are different, but there aren't many
> animals that set out to destroy others of their kind en masse!
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 06:43:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: karen Clanin <kclanin@fix.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Equine IQ & Anthropomorphism
> Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970209064641.08675f46@fix.net>
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> >surprised that horses seemed to show many of the "emotions" of humans,
> >It is my observation that horses have a sense of humor, but not if the joke
>
> Anyone that doubts the intelligence, emotions or sense of humor of the horse
> (or any animal for that fact) is not aware of, or receptive to, Penelope
> Smith type "animal communication" (telepathy).
>
> Karen Clanin
> Atascadero, CA
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 07:31:27 -0800
> From: jakar@aiinc.com (Reynolds, Nikki )
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Cryosurgery
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> Hello All,
> One of my good friends is going to have cryosurgery done to remove
> squamous cell carcinoma from his mare's eye. Our vet has only done one
> of those so far, on a cow. We need as much info as we can get. Any
> info out there would be appreciated!
> ~Nikki~
>
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