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cryo ("cryo@istar.ca"@istar.ca)
Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:46:03 -0700
ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net wrote:
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 74
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: Limited Distance
> riding in the cold
> LD
> Saddles for sale
> Fwd: The lighter side of LD Posts
> Crabbet Gelding for sale
> Re: Limited Distance
> Re: Limited Distance
> Re: Limited Distance
> Re: .Limited Distance
> Entry fees
> ? regarding Out times, barley, pants
> Limited Distance
> Re: The lighter side of LD Posts
> Re: Using All Caps in Posts
> Re: ? regarding Out times, barley, pants
> Excessive quoting
> Re: Limited Distance
> Re: Limited Distance
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:40:32 -0600 (CST)
> From: Samm C Bartee <bartesc@mail.auburn.edu>
> To: SlowRyder@aol.com
> cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Limited Distance
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.970129132348.3910I-100000@wood2>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> > What is wrong with admitting or stating that horse/rider teams that compete
> > at the 100 mile distance are accomplishing more that horse/rider teams that
> Nothing, and you are riding longer and possibly harder than one who rides
> the lesser distance. however, I was way tireder after one 50 miler that I
> can think of than after the 100 that I rode at LBL in Ky one year!!
>
> > of family obligations, because your horse is only capable of completing that
> > distance or by choice you should be acknowleged for what you have
> > accomplished but you are NOT competing at the highest level in endurance.
>
> Maybe not at the highest level IN endurance, but what a lot of posts here
> today have meant is that they are competing at the highest level OF their
> endurance.
> I am sorry, but some people have a harder time riding 25 miles than you
> may have riding a 100 simply because of health limitations. That should
> in no way put down what they are doing or attempting to do just because
> they did not ride the upper distance.
> While 100 miles IS the ultimate distance, for some people, being able to
> camp, saddle a horse, and ride 25 miles is the ultimate distance for
> them!!
> I don't think they should be prohibited from riding because they don't
> have the capacity for whatever reason to ride in the upper distance. It
> seems a tad snobbish and somewhat elitest to me to have the attitude that
> if I ride 100 miles today, I am better at this sport than you are since
> you only rode the 25 mile training ride.
> Maybe that's not what your post meant, but it sure seemed that way in the
> reading.
> We all do what we can, while we can, with what we got, and hopefully have
> fun at it all!! When people start thinking they are better or more
> capable due to a distance or speed they can go, it will start to be no fun
> for some. just like the experiences that I have had at some of the horse
> shows I have been to. If you don't show your horse in ....., then you are
> not really showing!
>
> I am not intending this post to be argumetative, just pointing out another
> way of looking at it.
>
> > I would also like to mention that when a ride manager allows 50 milers
> > to vet in front of 25s it is usually because the 25 is being run as a
> > training ride and the 50 is being run as a race where time is a factor.
> yes, but I have had to wait for the vets to check out 15 horses before my
> horse got to the vet. Is it fair that my horse has to wait that long
> while a horse that just comes in off the trail is allowed to go on
> through? My horse stiffens up so someone can get ahead of me in line when
> they still have the whole 45 minute hold time, and I am hoping to be able
> to find someone to hold my horse while I can go pee? I'm sorry, I don't
> buy that. I have gladly let upper distance horses go in front of me at vet
> checks. Especially if I am done, I will always do that. But, if I am
> trying to see that my horse gets time enough to get some food and water
> and I can do the same, then I think that I deserve my time just like
> everyone else does.
>
> > Unless you want ride managers to charge more for limited distance entries so
> > 25s can have their own vet I think that limited distance riders should allow
> > 50s to vet first. If you are there only to condition what does it matter if
> > you are held up a few more minutes?
> It could matter. If your horse stiffens up due to waiting, then yes, it
> matters.
> In the SE, the managers plan for lots of riders. we have a minimum of 2
> vets at ever ride. SERA rules. many managers will ask for pre-entry, not
> necessarily money sent, just ride form, so they can plan for food, vets,
> awards, etc. It's really nice to have vetting go smoothly and quickly.
> Also, many times the Ld riders are started at least 30 minutes behind the
> upper distances, sometime as much as a couple of hours later. It really
> helps at the checks. Not as much congestion, and even the slower 50's can
> get in a vetted through before the bulk of the LD riders get there.
>
> by working with your riders, and making them feel valuable, no matter what
> distance they ride, your rides can be run smooth, and you get filled up no
> matter what time of year or how many rides are run around you!!
>
> samm--running again!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:06:02 +0000
> From: "Greenall" <greenall@vermontel.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: riding in the cold
> Message-Id: <199701291959.OAA23451@eureka>
>
> We Vermonters hold a 25 mile CTR in January, just had it last
> weekend. the only time it has been called in 14 years is because the
> temp did not get up to 15 degrees. The "frozen lung" thing is a
> concern below that temp and one year we had a lot of horses come down
> with a nasty cough after the ride. The temp dropped during the day
> and we attribute the cough to damage done during the ride. The
> horses were just fine in two weeks. I ride all winter, but 10
> degrees is my cutoff and I keep it short and do not overly stress the
> horse. They cool out just fine with a cooler in a stall by the way.
> John and Sue Greenall
> greenall@vermontel.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:32:30 -0500 (EST)
> From: elammal@erols.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: LD
> Message-Id: <199701291932.OAA11348@smtp2.erols.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The current discussion about 25 milers, awards for them, etc., makes me
> yearn for the days when the Competitive Trail Rides were not only considered
> a stepping stone to the longer rides, but were considered the only way to
> introduce a horse and/or rider to the concept of distance riding. The rides
> had both a minimum and a maximum time which was designed to require some
> modicum of conditioning - 4 - 41/2 hours for 25 and 7 - 71/2 hours for 50.
> Because time then was not a factor and pit crews were not allowed, nor was
> dismounting and leading, conditioning became the criteria was the name of
> the award. What an education! The winners of the 25's were as much admired
> as those who did the 50's.
>
> Awards are important for even the lesser distance rides, for without them,
> no one would have a standard by which to measure the conditioning program,
> nor would one be penalized for a thoughtless ride, except through gossip.
>
> By the way, we've known horses to collapse after a 50 and a 100. The longer
> distance doesn't protect the horse - it's the character of the rider that does.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:39:34 -0500
> From: Gloria Maltz <equindir@ime.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Saddles for sale
> Message-Id: <199701291922.LAA26569@redfish.fsr.com>
>
> For sale. Big Horn Cordura black endurance saddle. 15" seat. Used one summer. Excellent condition. $250.
> Also, two Sharon Saare endurance saddles. Both 15" seat. One "D" size tree, split tail. Endurance wool pad
> included. Excellent condition. $750. The other is "DD" size tree, split tail, lite racing model. Short tree.
> Supreme condition, hardly used. $1400. For more info, e-mail equindir@ime.net.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:17:22 -0500 (EST)
> From: KimFue@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> cc: tomydore@goblin.punk.net
> Subject: Fwd: The lighter side of LD Posts
> Message-ID: <970129135546_1312924210@emout03.mail.aol.com>
>
> ---------------------
> Forwarded message:
> Subj: The lighter side of LD Posts
> Date: 97-01-29 13:27:07 EST
> From: Kim Fue
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>
> I'll never forget a few years back when a bunch of us were at a ride doing
> the 25 and we had such a great time. We were saying how great this distance
> was because your done by 11:00AM, your not thrashed and you can start
> relaxing a lot earlier than the 50s. We elitist 25 milers were laughing at
> the poor saps riding the 50 who had to go back out after lunch as we sat
> sipping on cool drinks. We were clean for the awards dinner while many of
> the 50s were still dirty from a full day of riding, we were first in line for
> dinner because we weren't busy cleaning horses and our camp chores were done
> hours before. At the awards we even got the same completion award as the 50
> for going half the distance. What a deal! We smirked as we saw 50 mile
> riders walking back from awards with at least a grade three lamenss downing
> their advil and aspirin. We weren't even sore!
> Of course, the next month we were those 50 mile saps leaving the lunch
> break...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:59:31 -0800 (PST)
> From: alruhe@castles.com]
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Crabbet Gelding for sale
> Message-Id: <199701291959.LAA27294@redfish.fsr.com>
>
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> Alison Ruhe, CA, Ph: 707-448-8926, Email:alruhe@castles.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:08:13 -0800
> From: jessicat@napanet.net (Jessica Tuteur)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Limited Distance
> Message-Id: <199701292008.MAA31478@sam.napanet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The Wine COuntry Ride is offering a sanctioned 25 mile ride this year in
> Nor. California. There are actually quite a few sanctioned 25 milers in Nor.
> Cal. Our entry fee is $10 less for 25s than for the 50. Don't know why just
> turned out that way.
>
> Just another example I guess. (We will not be placing the 25s and have not
> yet decided on BC judging, thus trying to encourage the training ride aspect
> of 25s).
>
> >
> >I think part of the reason the LD rides are not sanctioned (correct me if I
> >am wrong) is that by not sanctioning them the ride management can keep the
> >entry fees lower. Would LD riders be willing to pay the same entry fee as a
> >50 miler to ride 25 or 30 miles?
> >
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> JESSICA TUTEUR
> J BAR M RANCH
> NAPA VALLEY, CA
> (707) 258-1937
>
> TO LIVE IS TO RIDE AND TO RIDE IS TO LIVE!
>
> Check out HORSE BUMS @: www.inpetho.net/sofort-billiger/html/int/horsebums.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 12:49:03 PST
> From: "Sullys Maze" <Sully@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Limited Distance
> Message-Id: <199701292048.MAA00515@fsr.com>
>
> REPLY TO 01/29/97 12:17 FROM ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: Limited Distance
>
> [51301] WED 01/29/97 12:17 FROM ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: Limited Distance;
> 48 LINES
>
> From: jessicat@napanet.net (Jessica Tuteur)
>
> The Wine COuntry Ride is offering a sanctioned 25 mile ride this year in
> Nor. California. There are actually quite a few sanctioned 25 milers in Nor.
> Cal. Our entry fee is $10 less for 25s than for the 50. Don't know why just
> turned out that way.
>
> Just another example I guess. (We will not be placing the 25s and have not
> yet decided on BC judging, thus trying to encourage the training ride aspect
> of 25s).
>
> ---------
> Jessica, since we may be doing the 25 with kids, I would be
> interested in the difficulty or terrain on the ride (you can also me if I
> E-mail me privately on that), but one thing you might consider, is
> even if you don't place the 25's, to have some little, special
> thing for Juniors that complete. Last year my 8 year old daughter
> finished Camp Far West, her first ride. She had worked very very fee as a
> hard conditioning the pony, plus doing a lot of the feeding and
> care, using heart monito, etc. U.C. Davis donated some cheap little
> first aid kits, but all the Juniors who finished got to walk up,
> get recognized and pick them up. It was nice. Nice for the kids
> to get a little recognition.
>
> Karen
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> JESSICA TUTEUR
> J BAR M RANCH
> NAPA VALLEY, CA
> (707) 258-1937
>
> TO LIVE IS TO RIDE AND TO RIDE IS TO LIVE!
>
> Check out HORSE BUMS @: www.inpetho.net/sofort-billiger/html/int/horsebums.html
>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:08:46 -0500 (EST)
> From: SlowRyder@aol.com
> To: bartesc@mail.auburn.edu
> cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Limited Distance
> Message-ID: <970129151013_-1978604115@emout03.mail.aol.com>
>
> Sorry, I stand by what I wrote...if sounds harsh so be it. If I ride a 100
> miles today and you ride 25 I am competing at a level that is superior. That
> doesn't mean that I am a superior individual or that you are less. My point
> is this in case I was not clear - a 25 mile competition is not equivilent to
> a 100 mile competition. For example - In Dressage a horse that competes at
> 4th level is superior to one that is competing at training level. That does
> not mean that the rider of the training level horse is less of an equestrian
> it only means they are not competing at the highest level of their sport.
> Again, what is wrong with saying that!! Please stop trying to bring
> everything down to the lowest common denominator!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:26:02 -0800
> From: jakar@aiinc.com (Reynolds, Nikki )
> To: Tommy Crockett <tomydore@goblin.punk.net>
> CC: Endurance Mailing List <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: .Limited Distance
> Message-ID: <32EFC06A.E55@aiinc.com>
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> Tommy Crockett wrote:
> >
> > I used this point to both Samm and Tina in private, but might as well step
> > back into the "ring of fire". Shoot the reason they're training rides and
> > an indicator is that there's evaluation crews and vets to help access the
> > horse's fitness. Another point is that sometimes a young horse may be fit
> > as any other, but needs to improve soicalization habits in a herd mixed
> > with predator human beasts environment.
> >
> > t (who's mustang is fit and sturdy, but her hoof pickin' up by strangers
> > skills need improvin')
> >
> > Tommy Crockett <tomydore@goblin.punk.net>
> > Los Osos, California 93402-2715
> > "it won't matter what you're saying when
> > the damage has all been done"
> > Mary Chapin Carpenter
> Hi Tommy,
> Hope you get your mustang over that okay. Mine wouldn't let anyone but
> me touch her, period. She was like that 'til the day she got loose in
> the desert...never to be seen again. (She was 8 years old when taken,
> and 9 by the time I started riding her.)
> The Arab I have now will let anyone handle him, EXCEPT the vet. He has
> to be tranquilized for even routine floating, shots, etc.. He's dog
> gentle for everyone else. I hope he behaves himself in a ride situation
> for the vets. We'll find out at his first LD this year. I'm hoping
> it's just a kneejerk reaction to the disinfectant smell at the vets'.
> He's had a couple tramatic cancer treatment visits there, one involving
> extensive surgery.
> Good Luck to You!, Nikki
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:31:45 -0500 (EST)
> From: Wrecksduke@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Entry fees
> Message-ID: <970129153242_1178744377@emout06.mail.aol.com>
>
> In my opinion, LD entry fees are not that much less than the 50's. The fees
> are usually significantly more than half of what the 50's are paying. I
> think riders in those LD rides should get better treatment - not necessarily
> equal - just their fair share. Money is money... and none of us have enough
> of it.
>
> It IS nice to finish before noon and have time to relax and clean up and
> watch the 50 milers in action -- trying to learn from you guys out there.
> Not sure if that pleasure is as good as completing the 50 on a sound and
> happy horse though. Hoping to get there this year though.
>
> Thanks to those of you who are helping to educate me and encouraging me...
> and helping me get to the rides.
>
> Melody
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 20:59:00 UT
> From: "Connie Hoge" <pvtevt@msn.com>
> To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: ? regarding Out times, barley, pants
> Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199701292100280596@msn.com>
>
> O.K. I admit it - I'm tired of the LD posts. Sure is an interesting debate
> topic!
>
> 1. My rule book is home, but what are the hard & fast rules regarding when a
> rider can leave. Do all 50's or whatever distances - have to leave at the
> same time? Or could one elect to leave 1 hr. later, and have the same alloted
> time to complete the ride? Does that make sense?
>
> 2. Does anyone feed barley? O.K. for a hard working horse? Fed along with
> oats, vita, rice bran?
>
> 3. Any suggestions in riding pants for a guy who thinks that real men don't
> wear tights?
>
> Connie H.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:57:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: SlowRyder@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Limited Distance
> Message-ID: <970129150109_376326432@emout03.mail.aol.com>
>
> The "more advanced " rider should be encouraging
> those riders, not making disparaging remarks.
>
> Just because someone is as you call "an advanced rider" doesn't mean they
> have an obligation to less advanced riders. If you, as an "advanced" I would
> rather use the word experienced - would like to encourage and mentor - that's
> great BUT it is NOT mandatory.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:00:46 -0800
> From: jakar@aiinc.com (Reynolds, Nikki )
> To: KimFue@aol.com
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: The lighter side of LD Posts
> Message-ID: <32EFBA7E.1919@aiinc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> KimFue@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I'll never forget a few years back when a bunch of us were at a ride doing
> > the 25 and we had such a great time. We were saying how great this distance
> > was because your done by 11:00AM, your not thrashed and you can start
> > relaxing a lot earlier than the 50s. We elitist 25 milers were laughing at
> > the poor saps riding the 50 who had to go back out after lunch as we sat
> > sipping on cool drinks. We were clean for the awards dinner while many of
> > the 50s were still dirty from a full day of riding, we were first in line for
> > dinner because we weren't busy cleaning horses and our camp chores were done
> > hours before. At the awards we even got the same completion award as the 50
> > for going half the distance. What a deal! We smirked as we saw 50 mile
> > riders walking back from awards with at least a grade three lamenss downing
> > their advil and aspirin. We weren't even sore!
> > Of course, the next month we were those 50 mile saps leaving the lunch
> > break...
> >
>
> Hi Kim,
> Whaddya mean "done before the 50's?" *smile*. I was on the Equest 25
> for my five year old's maiden a few years back. We hooked-up with a
> couple very nice ladies on their senior citizen aged horses and had a
> wonderful time riding the hills and bringing our horses into the checks
> in the 40's. We were going out for the final 5 mile leg at about four
> hours when the first fifties came blasting in!
> There's a contingent of non-competitive mileage seekers out here and a
> lot of us are in it for the companionship along the way. I've had a top
> ten 50 miler and several also-rans and I prefer the latter. Less stress
> on this poor postal worker who has to run five days a week as it is!
> ~Nikki~
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:11:51 GMT
> From: jlong@mti.net (Joe Long)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Using All Caps in Posts
> Message-ID: <32f1ae0f.16275140@mail.mti.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:58:57 PST, you wrote:
>
> >Hi - Just a suggestion, lots of internet software (or email software =
> like
> >the Juno I use) allow you to change colors and fonts of the messages you
> >see on the screen. (And background colors.) This can be helpful if you
> >have visual problems. I see a little double (astigmatism) and find a
> >softer, reddish brown color is easier to read than black. I also like
> >"arial" letters which are plainer than "roman."
>
> Unfortunately, no software that I know of converts upper case to lower
> case.
>
> Regardless of the colors or fonts, most people (including me) find text
> written in all caps more difficult to read. On the Internet, posting or
> e-mailing in all caps is considered bad "netiquette;" it's as if the
> person writing is SHOUTING at you!
>
> There was a time back in the "dark ages" when some computers (and some
> computer printers) didn't have lower case. That is not true of any
> modern computer, but you still occasionally see databases, for example,
> done in all upper case. But please, folks, use courtesy in your Usenet
> posts and e-mail and type in upper case ONLY when you want to SHOUT!
>
> --=20
>
> Joe Long
> jlong@mti.net
> Business Page http://www.mti.net
> Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:47:49 -0800
> From: jakar@aiinc.com (Reynolds, Nikki )
> To: Connie Hoge <pvtevt@msn.com>
> CC: Endurance Net <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: ? regarding Out times, barley, pants
> Message-ID: <32EFC585.7E18@aiinc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Connie Hoge wrote:
> >
> > O.K. I admit it - I'm tired of the LD posts. Sure is an interesting debate
> > topic!
> >
> > 1. My rule book is home, but what are the hard & fast rules regarding when a
> > rider can leave. Do all 50's or whatever distances - have to leave at the
> > same time? Or could one elect to leave 1 hr. later, and have the same alloted
> > time to complete the ride? Does that make sense?
> >
> > 2. Does anyone feed barley? O.K. for a hard working horse? Fed along with
> > oats, vita, rice bran?
> >
> > 3. Any suggestions in riding pants for a guy who thinks that real men don't
> > wear tights?
> >
> > Connie H.
>
> Hey Connie! On #3, you could tell him to wear pantyhose under his
> "manly" jeans and hope to God he remembers to lock the porta-potty
> door!! Which reminds me, has anyone seen.... Oh, never mind, he
> wouldn't appreciate the publicity!! HA HA!! ~Nikki~
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:55:29 MST
> From: Wendy Milner <wendy@wendy.cnd.hp.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net (ridecamp@endurance.net)
> Subject: Excessive quoting
> Message-Id: <199701292155.NAA17099@palrel3.hp.com>
>
> In the recent discussion on limited distance, there seems to be
> a rash of folks who quote entire messages, responses and responses
> to responses before adding a line or two of their own. Additionally,
> the quoting is not set off from their own response. Overall, it's
> getting hard to read, particularly in the digest.
>
> Please quote only a few lines. Set off the quoted material with
> > at the beginning of each line. The > is the usual manner of
> quoting, but if you have another way that is equally distinctive,
> go ahead and use it.
>
> Just a friendly reminder,
> --
> Wendy
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:59:07 -0500 (EST)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Limited Distance
> Message-ID: <970129152056_1760305162@emout19.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-01-29 12:40:10 EST, you write:
>
> << I consider this very poor ride management. There are many rides
> (especially in the SE region) where the LD's pay for the ride. We can get
> 50 to 60 LD's and 30 to 40 50 milers. The LD pay for the ride and they
> deserve better than having to stand around letting 50's in front.
>
> The big problem is usually the first check. I try to find ways to minimze
> the back up ( instead of taking it out on LD's). Last year I had a 50 mile
> loop for the 50's. I had a separate trail for the LD's (which only
> overlaped with the 50 mile trail for about 10 miles). I had the LD's go
> into the second vet check on the 50 mile loop. I had the LD's go out 30
> minutes early so that there would be absolutely no overlap of LD's and 50's
> on the same trail. I also hired two extra vets for half a day to handle
> the LD's. Everybody was happy with this arrangement.
>
> This year I am running my ride in a different location and don't have the
> same ability to give the LD's their own trail. It is a 50 mile loop which
> figure 8's through an on trial vet check. I will start the LD's an hour
> later to minimize the congestion at the check. I will also have additional
> vets for a half day to handle the load. The LD's pay for the ride - it is
> the responsiblity of the ride managers to see everyone - including the LD's
> - have a good experience.
>
> Truman
>
>
>
> Truman Prevatt
> Sarasota, FL >>
> Wow, I am impressed! Really! This kind of management is probably not always
> workable for every ride, but this is really wonderful, and something to
> strive for. You must be doing something else correct to attract more LD than
> 50 milers. Thank you for being so welcoming to these riders!
> san
>
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:16:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Limited Distance
> Message-ID: <970129164721_817701618@emout17.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-01-29 16:12:12 EST, you write:
>
> << Sorry, I stand by what I wrote...if sounds harsh so be it. If I ride a
> 100
> miles today and you ride 25 I am competing at a level that is superior.
> That
> doesn't mean that I am a superior individual or that you are less. My point
> is this in case I was not clear - a 25 mile competition is not equivilent to
> a 100 mile competition. For example - In Dressage a horse that competes at
> 4th level is superior to one that is competing at training level. That does
> not mean that the rider of the training level horse is less of an equestrian
> it only means they are not competing at the highest level of their sport.
> Again, what is wrong with saying that!! Please stop trying to bring
> everything down to the lowest common d