Re: ridecamp-d Digest V96 #9

Suzanne Solis (ooswsejs@ix15.ix.netcom.com)
Sat, 23 Nov 1996 07:05:59 -0800

ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net wrote:
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 9
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: muscle twitch types..question
> Re: one-way haul, cal to ill
> Re: heart monitors
> AWARDS
> HRM wires
> Re: how much rest?
> Re: Ride Maps
> Re: trot/canter heartrates.
> Rest periods
> Good Heavens!!!
> Fast Twitch Slow Twitch
> Endurance Net sweatshirts and tshirts
> Robinson Flat Recreation Site Management Plan
> Re: Ride Maps
> Re: HRM wires
> Re: vinegar
> Re: Ride Maps
> Questions
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:38:00 -0500
> From: Tivers@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: muscle twitch types..question
> Message-ID: <961122133800_1285069551@emout15.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 96-11-22 10:51:04 EST, you write:
>
> << thanks for the great conversations of late...
>
> What are fast muscle twitch types (I guess compared to slow?) In
> layman's terms please. :)
>
> Kimberly (&Mystery the Morab)
> Petaluma, Ca
> >>
>
> The horse has an ample supply of three generalized fiber types (many fibers
> in-between, changing one way or another). The Slow Twitch (ST or Type 1) are
> slow-contracting muscle fibers that have high oxidative capacity--can burn
> fuel right down to CO2 and water. Fast Twitch (FT or Type 2b) are
> fast-contracting muscle cells with very little oxidative capacity--they burn
> fuel without oxygen and leave "smoke" behind, in the form of lactic acid.
> Fast Twitch High Oxidative (FTH or Type 2a) share characteristics of FT and
> ST cells--they contract more quickly than ST, but have oxidative capacity--we
> want a lot of these cells in racehorses.
>
> ti
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:55:38 +0500
> From: Gwen Dluehosh <dluehosh@vt.edu>
> To: endurance@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: one-way haul, cal to ill
> Message-Id: <199611221856.NAA32642@sable.cc.vt.edu>
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> SHe's got MY reference!! I haven't ever had a horsey problem that Teddy
> didn't do right by me!!!
> Gwen
>
> At 12:25 PM 11/22/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >If you can wait until March, I can haul...coming back from AERC Convention.
> > I did this for someone else last year and it sure made the trip nice. I
> >hate travelling without my horses!! The company makes travelling seem more
> >"normal". Good trailer (Featherlite slant..fully enclosed), good care,
> >reasonable. References if needed.
> >
> >Teddy
> >
> >
> Gwen Dluehosh
> Desert Storm Arabians
> 1156 Hightop Rd, #89
> Blacksburg, VA 24060
> 540/953-1792
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:59:16 -0500
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: heart monitors
> Message-ID: <961122135915_1150939676@emout05.mail.aol.com>
>
> Susan:
>
> I you are not getting readings at a hand gallop..something IS WRONG!!! Check
> your connections (I TAPE my cables to the transmitter since they can come
> unplugged). Check your patches to make sure there is good contact..may have
> to shave area on horse...long hair does interfere. But this is NOT normal!!!
>
> Teddy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:13:26 -0500
> From: REJ548@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: AWARDS
> Message-ID: <961122141325_1385632046@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>
> hello, i gave the award for the oldest horse to complete the wnc 100 in
> asheville in september 1996. i will offer this award at other rides. let me
> know of some and we will put the information out at the next board meeting
> and notify the ride managers. thaks alot
> sally johnson
> rej.548
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:29:50 -0500
> From: charle@rhesus.tpc.tulane.edu (Charlene Bartholomae)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: HRM wires
> Message-Id: <199611221921.NAA14882@rhesus.tpc.tulane.edu>
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> Hi all,
> Question: I use Roger's basic Polar monitor. Have had no readings
> problems or anything like that. The long (offside) lead is the problem...
> I cannot seem to get the wire to stay put. It disappears under the saddle
> pad (towards the rear), and I am afraid that it will eventually pull out of the
> transmitter. I have covered the billet strap w/a velcro strap to hold the
> electrode. I have made a "tube" of elastic over my billet strap so I can run
> the wire from the electrode thru this "tube" to hold it there, but from where
> it goes under the saddlepad to where it comes out at the withers to go to the
> transmitter is the problem. I use a wool felt pad w/a DeSoto Saddle.
> Any suggestions are most welcomed and appreciated.
> Charlene B.
> ,
> /,`\
> ` | \____\\
> _( ) \ Charlene Bartholomae
> \-\~~~_|\ \ Department of Pathology
> ` \ ` \ ` Tulane Regional Primate Research Center
> 18703 Three Rivers Road.
> ` ` Covington, Louisiana 70433
> e-mail: charle@tpc.tulane.edu
> _
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:31:19 -0400
> From: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com (Truman Prevatt)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: how much rest?
> Message-Id: <v01510100aebba01ebb7d@[198.252.56.80]>
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> >At 2:18 PM 11/21/96, DreamWeaver wrote:
> > Does anybody have a general idea of what a good rest
> >>period would be for the average endurance horse completing an average 50,
> >>100, or multiday ride?
> >
>
> Depends on what you mean by rest. First my horses are turned out except at
> meal time - so them can move around. My general routine is if I do a 50 on
> Saturday and everything is okay I will do some light riding on Wednesday
> (about 3 miles at walk and light trot) to loosen up the muscles and in
> general get out the cobwebs. Then a light workout on Saturday or Sunday
> and back to training on Wednesday. For a 100 I usually wait two weeks
> before resuming training.
>
> While rest is absolutely necessary I don't think complete rest is necessary
> or even good - asuming no injuries that need to heal. What does a runner
> do after a hard race. The next day he is out jogging to get the muscles
> loose again.
>
> Truman
>
> Truman Prevatt
> Sarasota, FL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:41:36 -0400
> From: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com (Truman Prevatt)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Ride Maps
> Message-Id: <v01510102aebba3e69f26@[198.252.56.90]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> >>Do any rides use topos? If not, why not?
> >
> >Deanne: Some rides don't even give you a map!!! Just follow the ribbons... :)
> >
> >I think the maps are mostly primitive because they really only need to give
> >the rider an idea of the correct direction and location of the trail. They
> >give details like which colored ribbons to follow, landmarks, vet checks and
> >approximate mileage. Lots of the maps do have instructions written on them
> >as well, and that helps a lot. When it comes to reading maps, a lot of
> >riders tend to get D.I.M.R.!!!
> >
> Ride maps are not important until you come to a stretch where the markers
> have been sabotaged - which happenes all too often. Then it helps to have
> to most detailed map possible.
>
> Truman
>
> Truman Prevatt
> Sarasota, FL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:47:15 -0400
> From: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com (Truman Prevatt)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: trot/canter heartrates.
> Message-Id: <v01510103aebba4f0dd97@[198.252.56.90]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> >I have done some experimenting with heart rates at the trot vs lope. A
> >lot depends at what gait is the most comfortable for the horse. Racer has
> >to be trotting awfully fast before I can switch to a lope & see a lower
> >heart rate.Other horses I have ridden do have a lower rate at the lope then
> >the same speed (mph) trot. HOWEVER on a horse I borrowed this year--We
> >were trotting at a HR of about 140.When I dropped to a walk his HR began
> >to drop immediately, slowly & steadily. When we would lope, his HR was
> >115-120,BUT when I dropped to a walk the HR would INCREASE to 150 or so
> >before beginning to drop.I never went on to develop any profound
> >conclusions as to which was "best", I was really just amusing myself.DIMR
> >leads to doing strange things for fun!Nancy.
>
> The HRM may have not been accurately responding. When the signal to the
> receiver are erratic, then most units usually stay where they are and the
> heart rate shown is not correct. When you stoped to walk then the signal
> was stable and the reading taken the first six seconds or so - which in
> your case jumped - was probably an accurate reading of the canter. When
> the HRM reading is not changing it is most likely not working correctly.
>
> Truman
>
> Truman Prevatt
> Sarasota, FL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 15:20 EST
> From: Diane Nelson <safehavn@fast.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Rest periods
> Message-Id: <m0vR25J-0004I6C@fast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Kevin and I have long been advocates of the "less is more" philosophy when
> it comes to riding our serious competitors between competitions. This will
> of course apply only to the well-conditioned horse.
>
> Here in the NE we are blessed with an abundance of limited distance rides
> (ECTRA sanctioned) that may be ridden at "moderate" speed (averaging 6 mph,
> faster on the last day of a multi-day ride). If we carefully choose rides
> with "gentle" terrain early on in the season, we often will compete
> back-to-back weekends for three consecutive weekends, then two weeks off.
> This 3-on, 2-off philosophy has resulted in a very high completion rate for
> both of us (me especially at a true HW wieght!).
> As the difficulty of the rides/weather conditions increases, we back off on
> the number of rides, and have an additional 3-4 days of rest, so that we are
> doing no more than one ride every 3 weeks (if the schedule permits). Once
> Kevin hits endurance rides, particularly in VA or Western PA, we'll only do
> one a month.
>
> In between we do a lot of walking, 45 minutes or so through a nice woods
> loop, 2 times/week during the "rest period". We also do daily stretching,
> belly lifts, etc. to maintain lateral flexibility. We found that even with
> our older, street-smart campaigners, we need to do a little something during
> the week, more for their brains than for their muscles.
>
> I am convinced that our regimen of daily stretches has made an enormous
> impact on the ability of our horses to perform at a high level. We also
> have been trained to a limited degree in the use of accupressure (under the
> guidance of our vet, Dr. Judith Shoemaker) to release problem areas in the
> large muscle masses. We also routinely make use of Nancy Senn to do a
> full-body massage after a particularly strenuous competition (and she is
> equally as good with people so we treat ourselves also!).
>
> Diane @ Safe Haven
> Off to KC tomorrow to help Kevin drive to his new home/adventure!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:41:30 -0500
> From: loomis.102@ohio-state.edu (Shannon Loomis)
> To: endurance@moscow.com
> Subject: Good Heavens!!!
> Message-Id: <199611222038.PAA22627@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> hello,
>
> I swear, I get kicked off the list for a couple of months and the list goes
> crazy! I cannot beleive the volume of messages! It is nice to see such
> interest in the sport. By the way, this is not just a fluff message - I
> really do have some replies to current threads.
>
> HRM - I really, really want one for xmas (Teddy, have one handy for when my
> dad calls in desperation for a gift) but I have been competing (mostly in
> CTR) for 11 years now without one. Star and I know each other very well
> and he tells me what I need to know during competitions but it would still
> be nice to have something besides intuition to base my training regeme
> (sp?) on. I tend to back off during the season and never condition really
> hard as he has many many miles on him.
>
> Older horses - my first horse was 20 or so on our first ride and placed 2nd
> (of course I weighed 80 lbs max at the time), which hooked me. Star is 15
> and still going strong and winning, although I did have a bit of tendon
> trouble at the end of this year, too much eventing, I think. I'm going to
> give him a few months off and see what happens
>
> rest time - like I said earlier, I never really push my horse. Of course,
> my training loop is only five miles and we do it on a regular basis but
> only at a steady trot, not pushing it. Also, dressage is a staple at our
> barn and we jump every week or two. I do give him a day or two completely
> off after a ride, depending on how he recovers. We have done back to back
> 60 and 90 miles, although I do not recommend it. They were both two day
> rides. We were Reserve at the 60 mile CTR and took up the entire time
> allottment on the 90 endurance (hey, at least we finished). I do back to
> back 50's or every other week a bit more often and have had no troubles
> with soundness. Of course, we only average about 4 or 5 rides a year.
>
> Fat - being a Morgan, he is plumper than your average Arab but leaner than
> the average Morgan. He does well with no ribs showing but can be felt.
> When I finish my term paper on fat feeding in distance horses, I'll let you
> know.
>
> I guess that is all for now.... Boy it is good to be back!
>
> Shannon Loomis and the old man, Quail Meadow Star
>
> "Stars are not measured by how long they burn, but how brightly"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:07:37 MST
> From: Wendy Milner <wendy@wendy.cnd.hp.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net (ridecamp@endurance.net)
> Subject: Fast Twitch Slow Twitch
> Message-Id: <199611222207.OAA09625@palrel1.hp.com>
>
> Fast Twitch vs. Slow Twitch muscles are an indication of the
> type of work that the muscle is required to do. Each animal
> starts with a certain percentage of each muscle type. With
> work/training the percentage can change.
>
> Consider the shark. The shark swims continually. Other than a
> nurse shark, the sharks must swim in order to breath. So the
> shark just hangs out, swimming slowly for hours at a time.
> Then along comes lunch. For a very short time, the shark
> swims very fast, catches lunch, and then settles back to the
> slow swim.
>
> Now consider "lunch". It swims around very fast, darting to and
> fro, and trying to not become lunch.
>
> If you happen to eat shark (very tasty btw), you'll see that shark
> meat has a lot of dark meat to it. As opposed to other fish which
> is mostly light or white meat.
>
> (Alright folks, here's where I always screw up, so some one check
> this:-) Do I have slow and fast twitch correct?)
>
> [Note that while I say fast twitch muscles, it is really a part of
> the muscle fiber that responds, not, for example, the complete hamstring
> muscle that is all one or the other type of fast/slow twitch.]
>
> The slow continual motion develops the slow twitch muscles.
> Those muscles don't need to move quickly. But they do need to
> continue to move for many hours at a time.
>
> The fast twitch muscle need to have short and fast bursts of speed.
> They are not used continually. Most of the time, they aren't
> used at all.
>
> A horse is sort of like a shark. The horse walks along munching
> on grass for 18 hours a day. Along comes the cougar and the
> horse runs for safety. Maybe a few minutes of flat out running.
> Then the horse goes back to grazing. The horse has developed
> a greater percentage of slow twitch muscle.
>
> If you take a variety of horse breeds, you'll find that some have
> more slow twitch muscles than other breeds. Why do you find mostly
> Arabs and Arab crosses in endurance? Because they have, at the start, a
> greater percentage of the slow twitch muscles. Why can you not beat a
> QH at the quarter mile? Because they have a higher percentage of
> fast twitch muscles. Individuals in each breed with vary, as always.
> (And yes, there are many other factors as well that make an endurance
> horse or a race horse.)
>
> With training you can increase the percentage of slow twitch muscle, or
> increase the percentage of fast twitch muscle. For the race horse, you
> want to increase the fast twitch muscles. For the endurance horse
> you want to increase the slow twitch muscles. You increase the
> muscle type by doing what makes sense - for speed, train at speed:
> for endurance, train at LSD. You can't completely change a horse,
> and who would want to, but you can give it a little extra burst
> with proper training.
>
> --
> Wendy
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:52:58 -0800
> From: step@starfish.fsr.com (Stephanie Teeter)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Endurance Net sweatshirts and tshirts
> Message-Id: <199611222252.OAA10530@wanda.fsr.com>
>
> I've had lots of orders for EN sweatshirts lately and will
> need to have some more made. If any of you are thinking of
> ordering some for Christmas presents - would you let me know
> (maybe's are ok!) so I have an idea of how many and what
> size to have made? The X-Large are going the fastest - which
> I didn't expect.
>
> thanks!
>
> Steph
>
> --
>
> ,+'^'+, ,+'^'+,
> Steph Teeter http://www.endurance.net
> `+,.,+'
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:27:30 -0800
> From: RGoodwin <richard.goodwin@lc.ca.gov>
> To: Ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Robinson Flat Recreation Site Management Plan
> Message-id: <329636E2.7E1F@lc.ca.gov>
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> The USDA/Tahoe National Forest/Foresthill Ranger District has published
> for comment a plan which would make certain "improvements" to the
> Robinson Flat area of the Western States Trail, site of the first vet
> check that riders encounter on the Tevis Cup Ride.
>
> The WSTF had hoped to provide the full proposal for your reference and
> comment on the Tevis Web Site, but there isn't enough time to get it
> done before the deadline for public comments, 12/12/96.
>
> If you have ever ridden or crewed the Tevis, you know what a "zoo" it
> can be at Robinson. There is concern that the Forest Service may be
> creating a Trojan Horse in the form of seven horsecamp parking spaces,
> which would then be the excuse for banning all other horsecamp parking
> in the area. The proposed plan is notably mum on this point.
>
> Attached is my own comments to the District Ranger on this matter. If
> you would like to have your own copy of the proposal and submit your own
> comments (PLEASE, PLEASE DO SO!!!), contact Ms. Anne Green, Project
> Leader, at the District, (916) 367-2224 and ask for a faxed copy.
>
> Thanks for your attention and support on this matter.
>
> /richard
>
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> Message-ID: <3296320B.5591@lc.ca.gov>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:06:51 -0800
> From: RGoodwin <richard.goodwin@lc.ca.gov>
> Reply-To: trailride@foothill.net
> Organization: Natalie's Barn & Breakfast, Weimar, CA
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> To:
> "Richard A. Johnson" <fswa/s=p.sexton/ou=r05f17d54a@mhs.attmail.com>
> CC: wstf@foothill.net
> Subject: Robinson Flat Recreation Site Management Plan/EA
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> Regarding: Robinson Flat Environmental Assessment, dated 11/96
>
> My wife, Natalie, and I have reviewed this document, and in particular
> Alternative D., noted as your preferred approach in your covering letter
> of 11/14/96.
>
> Please accept this e-mail message in lieu of your one-page form for
> submission of comments.
>
> NAME: Natalie V. Arnold and Richard J. Goodwin
>
> MAILING ADDRESS: 19520 Placer Hills Road, Colfax, CA 95713
>
> TELEPHONE NUMBER: (916) 637-4644
>
> COMMENTS:
>
> The improvements to the general area covered by the Plan are ambiguous,
> not in terms of what is said, but of what is not said.
>
> If/when the seven-unit equestrian campground is established, would their
> existence preclude overnight use by horse campers in all surrounding
> areas?
>
> If so, to what distance would these restrictions apply. The boundries
> of the area being planned are unclear.
>
> The map provided shows the "existing overflow parking" that, during the
> night before the Tevis Ride, is generally used as camping space by some
> of those who are crewing for Tevis participants. Would such use be
> restricted? Would any/all other such nearby locations be affected?
>
> RATIONALE: Robinson Flat is a major checkpoint of the WST Ride.
> Historically, about 33% of all horses disqualified during the Ride are
> pulled at this location. If additional restrictions are to be imposed
> on the vets, riders and crews as to where to park and/or lead their
> animals, such restrictions should be made explicit so that they can be
> reviewed, commented upon and, hopefully, negotiated to everyone's
> satisfaction.
>
> /s/ Richard J. Goodwin
>
> --
> Natalie's Barn & Breakfast -- a B&B for horses ...and their riders
> Visit us at http://www.foothill.net/natalies
> Also, the OFFICIAL TEVIS SITE, http://www.foothill.net/tevis
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:56:23 -0500
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Ride Maps
> Message-ID: <961122195622_1184535051@emout12.mail.aol.com>
>
> Just give me a map with landmarks and main roads shown...that way,if I get
> lost or markers are missing, I have something to look for.
>
> Teddy (the person who fortunately never gets lost..only momentrailly
> displaced)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:55:46 -0500
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: HRM wires
> Message-ID: <961122195545_1917217801@emout17.mail.aol.com>
>
> Charlene:
>
> Do you use a breastplate??? I tape my transmitter onto the side of the
> breastplate. The extra slack in the wires I wind around the clip over the
> wither strap and I tape the cables onto the transmitter. I never lose a lead
> or lose contact or have anything "extra".
>
> Teddy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:46:25 -0800
> From: PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.com (KIMBERLY PRICE)
> To: Lucy Chaplin Trumbull <elsie@calweb.com>
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: vinegar
> Message-Id: <199611230146.RAA03993@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
>
> hi Lucy,
>
> It is not only hard water that will cause stones (In fact, thats the
> first I ever heard hard water would), but the alfalfa in Northern Cal
> is known for its high mineral content. It is recommended by any vet
> I've come across not to feed just straight alfalfa. I don't know if
> that applies to other parts of the country...
>
> Kimberly (&Mystery the Morab)
> Petaluma, CA
>
> You wrote:
> >
> >Some time ago, I was reading the story about Warpaint and his gut
> stones >(if that's what they're called) on the Endurance.net web page.
> I also >remember reading something about these stones being caused by
> hard water >and that if you add vinegar to the horse's feed, it can
> help prevent >stone formation.
> >
> >So I assume, when Linda wrote:
> >
> >> My gelding Shatirr can eat buckets with apple cider vinegar just
> fine...
> >
> >that maybe she has hard water.
> >If not, why *do* you add apple cider vinegar, Linda? (is apple cider
> more >palatable?)
> >
> >(just curious)
> >
> >Which got me thinking. I think the post suggested adding a cup or so
> >to the feed each day. Say you have two horses, so you end up using 14
> cups of>vinegar a week... where can you buy vinegar in these
> quantities? I live>in a hard water area, so was considering (if I ever
> actually had a horse>to feed)<grin> that this might be a good thing.
> >
> >--
> >**************************************************************
> >Lucy Chaplin Trumbull - elsie@calweb.com
> >Displaced English person in Sacramento, CA
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> >http://www.calweb.com/~elsie
> >http://www.calweb.com/~trouble
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> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:13:00 -0800
> From: Jim Mitchell <navion@lsbsdi2.lightspeed.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Ride Maps
> Message-ID: <32966BBC.48D6@bak2.lightspeed.net>
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> Hi Joyce and Deanne
>
> I'll finially comment on the map issue. I also would like to see real maps used at
> rides so I can get a better judge on distances and if I'm on the correct trail. Some
> rides do this amd some use blank paper with felt pen lines. I run orienteering races so
> I am familar with the topo maps they use also. However I believe ride managers have
> enough to do so I figure if I want a better map I should volunteer to do it for them at
> all my close races. So far I haven't done this so I can blame no one but myself.
> For people who want to make good maps I suggest using BLM 1:100,000 surface management
> status maps or USGS 1:100,000 metric topo maps. These are a good scale for endurance
> rides and nicely have 1 mile grids which help you quickly judge distances. I copy these
> maps, use a dark feltpen to emphasize the routes I take and then copy this map to give
> to friends who want to try trails I have scouted. I use blue ink to denote water, red
> for trails, brown for paved roads, etc etc. It works pretty well.
>
> Jim Mitchell
> Bakersfield, Ca.
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> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:15:56 -0800
> From: Ron Olko <captron1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "'ridecamp@endurance.net'" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Questions
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> A couple questions, mostly unrelated.
>
> 1) What could be causing a horse's back to be sore if both poor saddle =
> fit and poor rider riding has been ruled out? Who would I get to check =
> her out? (chiro, vet, ???)=20
> 2) After a tough workout, what do you do to your horse's legs to stop =
> possible filling?
> 3) What recipes for sweats do you guys have?
> 4) Has anyone out there had their horse reach up and kick his front =
> tendon with his rear leg? Mine has done this 2x earning a 6 month rest =
> (vet thought that he had bowed it) and now an 8 week rest. It's good to =
> learn he wasn't bowing it, but tough being side tracked AGAIN. What kind =
> of recovery things did you do with your horse?
> Thanks,
> Kris
> P.S. For Kat - that TB mare of mine EASILY walks at 5.5 mph. I can't =
> walk fast enough to keep up and I run regularly!!
>
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> End of ridecamp-d Digest V96 Issue #9
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