>
>endurance-digest Thursday, 16 May 1996 Volume 01 : Number 457
>
>
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>
>From: "Diane E. Nelson" <nelsonde@ttown.apci.com>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:50:03 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: [endurance] Pleasant Surprise
>
>I spoke with Brenda Senseney last night--she told us Kevin & I had each
>placed 2nd in our respective divisions (me HW, K. MW). And that's
>despite Miss B spiking to 60 as the hail pelted the indoor roof! You
>lose a fair number of points for not coming in at parameters of 44.
>
>A little history here: Kevin & I have not competed together for a number
>of years, time & finances & horse problems usually dictate that Mom
>trains & crews, Kevin rides. I don't mind but Kevin had some completion
>problems & I felt, as a trainer, I needed to be out there so I can judge
>more intelligently if my training methods are valid for what you riders
>are now facing (at least in the NE). So Mom is riding this year!
>
>And what Mom is seeing is too much speed. I've indicated in other posts
>that I am quite conservative--and my watchword is "Slow Down!".
>Interestingly enough, I do train MUCH faster than I compete...and I have
>noticed that Kasey has reserves. I'm ramping him up in mileage with each
>competition (25, 30, 40, eventually a 50) because A) I need the slow
>conditioning (competitions ARE different and the demands on this old body
>can be pretty stiff--all puns intended) and B) Kasey needs the
>conditioning to carry MY weight.
>
>I promised him that I'd lose wieght--it's happening, excruciatingly
>slowly, but happening--and I don't intend to do 50's until I feel good
>about myself and can get off & help him if need be.
>
>So each little success is translating into very positive images for both
>he & I. And Kevin is now completing on an older horse who suffered a
>devastating injury a couple years ago.
>
>So we'll go to the next event...slooowly!
>
>Just needed to share this--you HW riders will definitely understand!
>
>Diane @ Safe Haven (real cool, real wet, anybody have spring yet?)
>Allentown, PA
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.com (KENNETH PLOUGH)
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:01:45 -0700
>Subject: [endurance] To Karen @ Sullys Maze?
>
>Hi Karen,
> I thought I had your address but I don't. Could you email me
>privately and send me your snail mail too, I have some pictures from
>the Pt. Reyes weekend ride to send you.....
>
>Thanks! Kimberly (&Mystery the Morab)
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: step@fsr.com (Stephanie Teeter)
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:17:26 +0800
>Subject: [endurance] [geronimo@epix.net: PLACING AN AD]
>
>Return-Path: <geronimo@epix.net>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:00:02 -0700
>From: JACQUE MUESSIG <geronimo@epix.net>
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>SEARCHING FOR SPORT SADDLE. SIZE TO FIT 137 lb. RIDER, 5'5. PLEASE
>CONTACT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 717-992-3186. PENNSYLVANIA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: dluehosh@vt.edu (Gwen Dluehosh)
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:06:50 -0400
>Subject: [endurance] Kasey
>
>>>Kasey weaves. It's what he does. He was a "rescue" horse, ended up with
>>>Teddy Lancaster, Gwen Dluehosh rode him, Kevin bought him, Kasey said Mom
>>>was the one...so he's my partner now.
>>
>>I HAVE to get this OFF MY CHEST!
>>
>>SOAPBOX ON!!
>>Kasey was NOT a weaver at MY place, and I did more than ride him. I TRAINED
>>him for trail. He was not a weaver after the hobble session with Teddy- I saw
>>him at MANY rides with NO hobbles on and he was standing as quietly as he
>>could in camp. THat horse is a National Top 10 -caliber horse.
>>
>>
>>He is not a CONFIRMED weaver, he was cured of it. If he started weaving again,
>>then something else is going on, something is bothering him.
>>I taught that horse to come to me when I called, and often I would go within
>>earshot of him and call him and he'd nicker to me in camp.
>>
>>That horse has more heart and brains and is tougher than anyone can imagine.
>>He stood up to 40 miles one day in the sweltering sun as a greenie, we crossed
>>highways, ditches and even got stuck in a bramble bush with bees stinging us
>>in the butt and not a peep or a buck out of him. HE waited patiently for the
>>other rider to come over and snip us out of the bushes. That is NOT the sign
>>of a neurotic horse. HE was a doll to handle and shoe, and ate like a pig. HE
>>loves to work, and goes out by himself wonderfully, and has a trot to die for.
>>His feet are tough as steel- I rode him in the Fort Valley that was nasty
>>snowy/rainy for his first ride, as a lot of you know, and he finished with
>>EXCELLENT marks, even though he was excited at the start of the race and
>>galloped the first 14 miles.MOSt horses wouldn't have completed that ride in
>>his condition!
>>
>>I must say, though I didn't particularly like Egyptian Arabs (no offense to
>>anyone intended) he certainly made me look twice, and maybe more! HE has all
>>the bone and height anyone would need on a horse. We never rode him with pads
>>and he never had a bruise or soreness. We rode him with a Sharon Saare and it
>>fit him beautifully, and he never clipped or forged once we figured out he
>>strode longer in the back than the front and we needed to dub his toes a
>>little bit so he'd avoid hitting. We rode in a hackamore, and Teddy rode him
>>in a Kimberwicke later I think, but never was he problem to steer, nor did he
>>have a sore back.
>>
>>HE's done 100 miles and come back in great shape, and I guess what I am trying
>>to say is I resent being called someone who just rode him. I spent a YEAR with
>>that horse training and helping Teddy with him. I thoroughly enjoyed him. And
>>we sold him in good shape, ready to go to the top.
>>
>>So go ahead, flame away, I am ready, but I have done A LOT with him and I feel
>>I know that horse extremely well. HE is NOT NEUROTIC.
>>Gwen
>>
>
>******************************************************************************
>Gwen Dluehosh ***!!!OPEN HOUSE JUNE 22, 1996!!!***
>Desert Storm Arabians (|^|) "Pretty enough to show,
>2249 Mount Tabor Rd / \--__--_ tough enough to RIDE!"
>Blacksburg, VA 24060 (= +++ =)\__---__
>540/953-1792 \ + / \_-__--- Featuring our stallions,
>Endurance, racing, | + | \-__---_ mares, and foals, some
>halter stock available ()+() \___--- for sale or lease!
> \_/
>IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND, please CALL and LET ME KNOW! We'd LOVE to HAVE YOU!!
>****************************************************************************
>**
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "LONG JUDY" <long.judy@smtpgateway.centigram.com>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 96 10:11:42 PST
>Subject: [endurance] Castle Rock/Big Creek Rides
>
>
>
> FYI for anybody planning on going to the Castle Rock/Big Creek Rides
> in the West region this weekend 5/18:
>
> Due to bad weather, the rides have been cancelled. Bummer!
>
> I don't know if the rides will be rescheduled or not.
>
>
>
> Judy Long
> Hayward, Ca.
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: dluehosh@vt.edu (Gwen Dluehosh)
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:52:12 -0400
>Subject: [endurance] another horse for sale!
>
>Hi, I have a friend in Ohio who has a nice filly for sale- I think she is 3
>years old or so- and probably chestnut, Anyway, her father is PR Alexx, the
>Muscat son and her dam is a double Count Dorsaz/Silver Vanity mare- she is
>a daughter of Easter Vanity. I have this mother on lease and I can tell you
>this mare is tough as nails- she is the old COunt DOrsaz type mare and has
>a beautifully long trot. Her disposition is excellent- easy to handle. SHe
>is asking $3000for this filly- who IS a purebred and will be ECAHS
>registered and if you want more info, please email me privately and I will
>give you HEr email address.
>Thanks --
>Gwen
>
>******************************************************************************
>Gwen Dluehosh ***!!!OPEN HOUSE JUNE 22, 1996!!!***
>Desert Storm Arabians (|^|) "Pretty enough to show,
>2249 Mount Tabor Rd / \--__--_ tough enough to RIDE!"
>Blacksburg, VA 24060 (= +++ =)\__---__
>540/953-1792 \ + / \_-__--- Featuring our stallions,
>Endurance, racing, | + | \-__---_ mares, and foals, some
>halter stock available ()+() \___--- for sale or lease!
> \_/
>IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND, please CALL and LET ME KNOW! We'd LOVE to HAVE YOU!!
>****************************************************************************
>**
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Diane E. Nelson" <nelsonde@ttown.apci.com>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:45:12 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: [endurance] Kasey
>
>Gwen--it is completely inappropriate to direct such remarks to the entire
>group. You have obviously taken something very personally without
>considering the content or intent of my post. I do not feel the need,
>nor is it necessary, to provide a complete history for every situation.
>
>If you have solutions to offer, then offer them. Do it politely, without
>rancor, otherwise silence would be best.
>
>Diane @ Safe Haven
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: HARVEY_HELEN@tandem.com
>Date: 16 May 96 11:19:00 -0700
>Subject: [endurance] You know you're an endurance rider when...
>
>Your SO has a sore ligament in her wrist, and you determine the
>best treatment option and probable side effects based on what you'd
>do if she was a horse (near fore suspensory).
>
>Helen
>harvey_helen@tandem.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: HARVEY_HELEN@tandem.com
>Date: 16 May 96 11:17:00 -0700
>Subject: [endurance] Castle Rock/Big Creek Rides
>
>Rumor that I just heard is the ride will not be re-scheduled. Seems
>reasonable, after last year.
>
>Helen
>harvey_helen@tandem.com
>
>- ------------ ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT --------
>SENT 05-16-96 FROM SMTPGATE @MAILMN (long.judy@smtpgateway.centigram.com)
>
>
>
> FYI for anybody planning on going to the Castle Rock/Big Creek Rides
> in the West region this weekend 5/18:
>
> Due to bad weather, the rides have been cancelled. Bummer!
>
> I don't know if the rides will be rescheduled or not.
>
>
>
> Judy Long
> Hayward, Ca.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Linda Flemmer <CVLNURS@CHKD-7.evms.edu>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:50:15 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: [endurance] You know you're an endurance rider when
>
>You know when you're an endurance rider when:
>
>Your horse wears out his shoes faster than the kids.
>
>You saddle pads get washed before the rest of the laundry.
>
>You feel that 40,000 miles/year on your truck is about average.
>
>You body clip the horse more often than you shave yourself.
>
>Even your EASY BOOT couldn't qualify as a novice.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: karen@chaton.gardnerville.nv.us (Karen Chaton)
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: [endurance] YKYAERW... & How to Remove #'s???
>
>You know you're an endurance rider when:
>
>your horses are washed and clean.... but your car isn't
>
>your barn and tack room are cleaner than your house
>
>there are more bits of hay in your house and car than in the tack room!
>
>you brush your wool saddle pads more often than your dogs
>
>you notice that your horse has a pinky-nail size spot of hair missing, but
>don't notice that your husband has lost ten pounds
>
>you grin when people comment how often your horse goes to the bathroom while
>on a trail ride
>
>and you buy your laundry and dishwashing detergent for the buckets!
>
>********************************************************************
>
>(by the way - last weekend when I finished washing both my horses my husband
>comes over and says - "don't you think you should wash your car" - I just
>laughed - anyways -I was wondering if anybody might have some suggestions
>for removing the #'s off of our horses behinds - I've been using noxema and
>regular horse shampoo, but it doesn't work real well - THANX!)
>
>Karen in Gardnerville
>& Weaver & Rocky
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: hickst@puzzler.nichols.com (Tina Hicks)
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:50:00 -0500
>Subject: [endurance] so how *do* you get a crew?
>
>I'm interested to hear how you guys manage to con, uh..I mean.... convince,
>friends, relatives and other poor unsuspecting souls (in the words of my
>mom) that working like a dog, oops,....crewing at an endurance ride for you
>in any kind of weather, is a worthwhile way to spend their weekend??? <VBG>
>I especially wanna hear from those of you that have managed to get someone
>to do it more than once :->
>
>Tina (who has already used up her entire list for the spring season alone)
>hicks@nichols.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: karen clanin <kclanin@fix.net>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:31:20 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: [endurance] you know you're an endurance rider
>
>You know you're an endurance rider when you
> 1. pick your wedding date so it doesn't conflict with any upcoming
>ride and
> 2 when you clear your wedding date with the photographer who is
>also a ride photographer
>
>This is for our friend Susan!!!
>
>
>Karen & Jim Clanin
>Atascadero, CA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Betsy O'Shea" <boshea@magic1.org>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:14:40 -0600
>Subject: [endurance] You know you're an endurance rider when....
>
>You have one dress. You bought it in 1986. It is hanging in the closet with
>the price tags on.
>Betsy O'Shea and Afterglow
>boshea@magic1.org
>Paola,Kansas
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Roskies Greg <groskies@rocler.qc.ca>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:44:17 +0000
>Subject: [endurance] Solstice Saddle
>
>In desparate need of your expert advice. I am finally in a position
>to buy a real saddle but am more confused than ever....For myself, I
>love the Orthoflex Stitchdown, but really worry that it would not be
>good for my horse, Oran. He is a short-backed Arab with a very round
>barrel. I saw an ad in this month's Trail Blazer for a Solstice
>Saddle for Arabs ( an endurance saddle). Their ad seemed to make so
>much sense but I have never seen one of these saddles. Has anyone out
>there tried one? What did you think? Any and all information and
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> Deb & Oran
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: helgeson@lansford.ndak.net
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:42:37 PDT
>Subject: [endurance] Follow up on Gaits
>
>I thought this list was so people could learn from each other.
>Instead some people use it as a place to blast other people they
>don't agree with. Some of the things that were said about my post
>on allowing horses to choose their own gait was unreal to me.
>
>I was accused of not respecting my horses, having a poor relationship
>with them. Then one post went way out by talking about riding in the
>dark, where a horse places his feet, etc. What does all that have to
>do with letting a horse choose his own gait?
>
>Furthermore I do not think that endurance people are uneducated
>backyard horsemen (like I was accused), In fact I have alot of respect
>for anyone who can ride a horse 100 miles in one day! That takes a love
>and dedication for horses and the sport of endurance that alot of us
>don't have.
>
>What I was trying to say was that the rider needs to develop a
>feel for what the horse wants and then make a decision for the
>team. That is communication with the horse.
>
>Besides a few posts, or would you call them hate mail, most of
>the post were good and informative. These are the things that I
>learned from them.
>
>First of all I liked Dave Bennett's post when he said "I think
>that most of us are not as far apart on this thing as it might appear.
>I agree with Dave. I also like the rest of his post. He had some good
>ideas. As did most of the posts. After reading and rereading a good deal of the
>posts, I think it is just a problem with miscommunication. This is
>what I learned from all of the post that I received, and there was
>alot of them.
>
>When I think back in my younger days, when I got into long distance riding,
>I spent alot of time with my horse. I rode everyday. The only time I
>didn't ride was when it got -10 degree C or lower because I was concerned
>about my horses lungs. But otherwise I was in the saddle. Me and my horse
>were both in top shape. We use to trot the first 10 miles as just a warm up.
>The time I did ride 100 miles in two days my horse and I were totally in
>sync with each other. We had to be or we never would have made it.
>I knew what he wanted and he knew what I wanted. We were a total
>team. I think that is were some of the more experienced riders are coming
>from. The horse know through experience what to expect from the rider and
>visa versa.
>
>But remember that it takes alot of time and good training to get a horse and
>rider to that position. That horse has to have good disipline in the gaits
>BEFORE there is any new training on what the rider expects once they get
>into intense competition. I think Dave best stated this when he said " My
>personal experience is that with a green or previously spoiled horse
>the rider must teach the horse to respond to commands. That is where I
>am coming from.
>
>So it takes a good experinced rider and a good experienced horse who
>have spent alot of time in good training and are totally in tune to each other
>to be able to establish a set of cues and rules where the horse sometimes
>choose the gait and sometimes the rider does.
>
>BUT, this takes the right horse and the right rider and lots of experience and
>time. PLEASE for you riders that have worked and have that established with
>your horse remember that not every one was the ability, experience or horse
>to do that.
>
>So when you post statements like "choose the speed, let the horse choose
the gait,"
>someone just starting out will think that is the was to go and will
>let a horse start choosing gaits that does not have the ground work that
>Dave talks about in his post.
>
>In other words, "choosing the speed, let the horse choose the gait" does
>not work for everyone or everyhorse. So it should not be a general rule
>and statement made in endurance. I would have to say by looking at
>all of the posts that I received that this statement and attitude does
>more harm then good. In other words if one person takes this statement
>to heart and tries this with their horse before the horse or rider is ready
>for it and someone gets hurt, then it has done more harm then good.
>
>Lynette
>(be gentle, please)
>
>
>
>helgeson@lansford.ndak.net
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Kachina <kachina@ecis.com>
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: [endurance] so how *do* you get a crew?
>
>Tina!! Your scaring me!! =]
>
>Now I haven't offically crewed yet, but I have done one ride as a
>P'nR/vet secretary. It wasn't so bad. I learned alot! There was a bit of
>a waiting period, but hopping from one vet check to the next once the day
>got started didn't seem so bad. On the last vet check, it was getting
>very hot, and the skitters were coming out in force. That was a very
>unpleasant vet check, but now I have my Avon Skin So Soft so I'm ready this
>time! My first crewing will be coming up really soon. I guess I'll be
>lucky for my first crewing experience... I'll have an experienced person
>with me and my fiancee, and probably a good book! =]
>
>On Thu, 16 May 1996, Tina Hicks wrote:
>
>> I'm interested to hear how you guys manage to con, uh..I mean.... convince,
>> friends, relatives and other poor unsuspecting souls (in the words of my
>> mom) that working like a dog, oops,....crewing at an endurance ride for you
>> in any kind of weather, is a worthwhile way to spend their weekend??? <VBG>
>> I especially wanna hear from those of you that have managed to get someone
>> to do it more than once :->
>>
>> Tina (who has already used up her entire list for the spring season alone)
>> hicks@nichols.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Shareeka@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:13:17 -0400
>Subject: Re: [endurance] Sport Saddle
>
>I don't know if any of you get "Michael Plumb's Horse Journal" but it is a
>publication where they try different products and then report the results of
>them as to their performance. I personally use SMB's, and do get sand in,
>however I keep them rinsed and cleaned and it is kind of a pain to do. In
>my lates journal they tested SMB, Les Vogt's pro equine super sling athletic
>sport boot, classic equine EZ wrap sport boot, protekta l-shaped wraps,
>Libertyville Saddle Shops Equi-Prene combo boots and Royal Rider Air boot.
> bottom line was Les Vogt's pro equine came out on top. The reason SMB did
>not was that they found on the horses they tested them on the did not feel
>the fetlock area of the boot fit that well and they tended to gape a bit so a
>complete seal against sand and dirt was not there..
>
>Now I have to investigate and think about this because I've used SMB's for 2
>years.
>
>Shareeka & Moniet's Munshaado, Big Pine Key, FL
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Fan2jab@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:18:58 -0400
>Subject: [endurance] premixed feed for pregnant mares
>
>I have recently bred my endurance mare. She is nine years old. And is
>healthy.
>I currently feed her a small amount of rolled barley and ABC along with a
>nice grass/
>alfalfa mix. But I have heard that a premixed feed would be better for her
>and her foal.
>I would like to know the opinion of others who have fed grain mixes and any
>pros
>and cons of feeding grains.
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: helgeson@lansford.ndak.net
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 20:22:32 PDT
>Subject: Re: [endurance] so how *do* you get a crew?
>
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>> From: Kachina <kachina@ecis.com>
>> To: Tina Hicks <hickst@puzzler.nichols.com>
>> Cc: endurance@moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [endurance] so how *do* you get a crew?
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>
>Tina,
>
>One idea would be to contact a local 4-H horse group or similar
>group to help you out for a day.
>
>Our 4-H club has volunteer to to help out at the Great Northern
>Connection in Canada. Some of the older kids are interested in
>endurance, so this way they can help out and learn at the same
>time. Even if they are not interested in endurance it is a great
>place for kids interested in horses to learn about the care of
>the horses that is required to make long distances in one day.
>
>
>> On Thu, 16 May 1996, Tina Hicks wrote:
>>
>> > I'm interested to hear how you guys manage to con, uh..I mean.... convince,
>> > friends, relatives and other poor unsuspecting souls (in the words of my
>> > mom) that working like a dog, oops,....crewing at an endurance ride for you
>> > in any kind of weather, is a worthwhile way to spend their weekend??? <VBG>
>> > I especially wanna hear from those of you that have managed to get someone
>> > to do it more than once :->
>> >
>> > Tina (who has already used up her entire list for the spring season alone)
>> > hicks@nichols.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>helgeson@lansford.ndak.net
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Shareeka@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:29:01 -0400
>Subject: Re: [endurance] Allowing a ho...
>
>Lynette I think she meant more don't make the horse stay in a fast trot at
>the same speed if the horse chooses to do a slow canter and vice versa if the
>horse is in a slow canter and he chooses to chang to a trot at the same speed
>he is saying this is a more comfortable gait for me right now at this speed,
>for a while. I could be wrong but that is what I got from the posted
>message. I also appreciate your position on the rider recognizing what the
>horse must accomplish and taking care that he can do that without hurting
>himself or running the show instead of the rider.
>
>Shareeka & Moniet's Munshaado, Big Pine Key, FL
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of endurance-digest V1 #457
>*******************************
>
>
>