One might think that a hoof pick is the correct tool to use year round. Not
in the winter, with snow. The right tool is a hammer.
If you think about this, the snow sticks to the cold metal shoe, not the
warm area of the frog. Hold your hoof in one hand and give the shoe a
strong tap on the outside rim, and watch your snow ball fall out, as easy as
that.
Also, to prevent build up within the frog, have your farrier put snowball
pads on front, rim pads on back -- for cost cutting measures, just apply
some Vaseline especially around the rim area of the shoe to help in keeping
the snow from building up.
Hope this helps.
Celeste Othmer Brown, ARICP Certified Riding Instructor (Dressage & Distance
Trail)
Pine Meadow Farm
(Promoting Morgans in Dressage & Competitive/Endurance Trail)
13 Veterans Road
Amherst, NH 03031
(603) 673-6311
email: cbrown@aimtech.com
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From: owner-endurance
To: endurance-digest
Subject: endurance-digest V1 #285
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 1996 1:34PM
endurance-digest Tuesday, 30 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number
285
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 00:00:07 -0800
Subject: [endurance] HORSEMAN Digest - 26 Jan 1996 to 27 Jan 1996
CAN WE GET OUR ENDURANCE DIGEST TO START OUT LIKE THIS ?
It's much easier to see if you want to skip down to something,
or delete the whole thing if its on a topic you are not
interest in. Thanks..............Ann & The Gaited Gang
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There are 22 messages totalling 788 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. J.L.'s WESN
2. Two eyes (4)
3. Cost of training (7)
4. Two eyes and firmness
5. Timing is everything (2)
6. your mail
7. Two eyes & frustration
8. David Lichman 1/20 clinic report (long)
9. D.Lichman Clinic Report#3 by JB
10. World Wide Web site for Equine Affaire
11. rain rot
12. For Ross Jacobs - all others may delete
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From: MFlem22551@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:33:33 -0500
Subject: [endurance] Endurance List/Appropriate Topics
Hey Folks, & Stephanie - Our list moderator:
I enjoy the List and the page that you (Stephanie) have organized,
but I seea disturbing trend on the list to discuss subjects that would
be more appropriate on Rec.equestrian, or the Equine List. Just the other
day I received an "announcement" that someone's new trailer arrived!
AARGH!!! (Nice for them, but is it of interest to the List?!?!?!)
I was under the impression that the list's topic was trail
riding/competitive/endurance. Am I wrong? If it IS,consider this
a friendly reminder to the List.
Stephanie - Thank you for putting so much work into the development and
running of the List & page! To all of the folks who discuss timely topics -
keep up the good work! I wish more of the "Specialty" lists had the depth
of knowledge and experience that the folks here bring to the discussions.
More & More folks are starting to"hear" about us!
Linda Flemmer Blue Wolf Equestrian Supplies/ Blue Wolf Ranch
MFLEM22551@aol.com
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From: MFlem22551@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:56:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [endurance] Quarter Horse
My husband successfully competes (to FINISH) on a 15.3 seal brown QH. He is
"thorobred-like" - lean, longer muscle groups - no "bulldog look". His
biggest problem is overheating, perhaps because of his dark color. He has
great, ground covering gaits - 4-5 mph walk, 12 mph hunter trot, 20-22 mph
"road trot" and 22+ mph gallop. I'm not sure what his breeding is off hand
-
his sire was an East coast/VA stallion named What's Eternal.
If he were a halter horse, he would weigh in the neighborhood of 1200 lbs.
At a lean working/racing weight, he is about 1000 lbs.
His first & only "hot weather" ride was the Old Dominion in 1995 - he pulled
at the 1/2 way stop - over heated w/ marginal recoveries. He may have been
allowed to continue, but it wasn't fair to the horse (& it wasn't going to
get ANY cooler or less humid). In cool weather rides, he is a BLAST to
ride.
It took several seasons to convince him that moving out was ok - just try to
stop him now! His attitude is, "We go this way, for a LONG time, VERY
FAST!"
If you are considering a QH - it CAN be done. Where an Arab may breeze
thru, a QH may need a slightly better horseman to do as well - but it is
possible!
Linda Flemmer
Blue Wolf Ranch/Blue Wolf Equestrian Supplies
Chesapeake, VA
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From: MFlem22551@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:50:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [endurance] Quarter Horse
My husband successfully competes (to FINISH) on a 15.3 seal brown QH. He is
"thorobred-like" - lean, longer muscle groups - no "bulldog look". His
biggest problem is overheating, perhaps because of his dark color. He has
great, ground covering gaits - 4-5 mph walk, 12 mph hunter trot, 20-22 mph
"road trot" and 22+ mph gallop. I'm not sure what his breeding is off hand
-
his sire was an East coast/VA stallion named What's Eternal.
If he were a halter horse, he would weigh in the neighborhood of 1200 lbs.
At a lean working/racing weight, he is about 1000 lbs.
His first & only "hot weather" ride was the Old Dominion in 1995 - he pulled
at the 1/2 way stop - over heated w/ marginal recoveries. He may have been
allowed to continue, but it wasn't fair to the horse (& it wasn't going to
get ANY cooler or less humid). In cool weather rides, he is a BLAST to
ride.
It took several seasons to convince him that moving out was ok - just try to
stop him now! His attitude is, "We go this way, for a LONG time, VERY
FAST!"
If you are considering a QH - it CAN be done. Where an Arab may breeze
thru, a QH may need a slightly better horseman to do as well - but it is
possible!
Linda Flemmer
Blue Wolf Ranch/Blue Wolf Equestrian Supplies
Chesapeake, VA >>
- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: [endurance] Quarter Horse
Date: 96-01-29 19:42:35 EST
From: MFlem22551
To: Teachm4u
CC: endurance @moscow.com
My husband successfully competes (to FINISH) on a 15.3 seal brown QH. He is
"thorobred-like" - lean, longer muscle groups - no "bulldog look". His
biggest problem is overheating, perhaps because of his dark color. He has
great, ground covering gaits - 4-5 mph walk, 12 mph hunter trot, 20-22 mph
"road trot" and 22+ mph gallop. I'm not sure what his breeding is off hand
-
his sire was an East coast/VA stallion named What's Eternal.
If he were a halter horse, he would weigh in the neighborhood of 1200 lbs.
At a lean working/racing weight, he is about 1000 lbs.
His first & only "hot weather" ride was the Old Dominion in 1995 - he pulled
at the 1/2 way stop - over heated w/ marginal recoveries. He may have been
allowed to continue, but it wasn't fair to the horse (& it wasn't going to
get ANY cooler or less humid). In cool weather rides, he is a BLAST to
ride.
It took several seasons to convince him that moving out was ok - just try to
stop him now! His attitude is, "We go this way, for a LONG time, VERY
FAST!"
If you are considering a QH - it CAN be done. Where an Arab may breeze
thru, a QH may need a slightly better horseman to do as well - but it is
possible!
Linda Flemmer
Blue Wolf Ranch/Blue Wolf Equestrian Supplies
Chesapeake, VA
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From: CTRYGAL351@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:15:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [endurance] Quarter Horse
You have a good point that it takes a good horseman to do the endurance
work,
however I must point out that no breed needs a better horseman to get the
job
done. Endurance takes a lot out of any horse and it takes an equally
skilled
horseman no matter what the breed... QH or Arab, or any other for that
matter.
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From: navion@lightspeed.net
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:37:18 PST
Subject: Re: [endurance] New Arrival
>I found a very small propane heater at Wal-Mart in the camping section,
about
>$20 that works just great to take off the chill before getting into a warm
>sleeping bag. Just turn it on during dinner, then hit the hay (warm).
Beats
>freezing to death! Good luck
>Becky Hackworth
>
PLEASE be very careful about ventilation. Carbon Monoxide and depletion of
oxygen are a real concern with these heaters.
Jim Mitchell
navion@bak2.lightspeed.net
Bakersfield, Calif.
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From: Frank Mechelhoff <fmechelh@germany.micrognosis.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:14:38 -0800
Subject: Re: [endurance] Endurance List/Appropriate Topics
Hey everybody,
Linda, you are absolutely right.
Please, folks, keep the mail traffic low and let out all the stuff
without tight connection to "endurance".
Frank
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From: "Diane E. Nelson" <nelsonde@ttown.apci.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:21:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [endurance] Inappropriate topics
My apologies for announcing my new trailer. Perhaps it would be hepful
for new readers to have a posting of "approved topics" and a set of do's
& don'ts.
Diane (who believes that education on ALL topics makes for better
horsemen & women)
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From: CTRYGAL351@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:06:16 -0500
Subject: Re: [endurance] Too Skinny--HELP!
Kathy has a few good points. I want to suggest that it is better to feed
meals three or four times a day than to try to squeeze 3% of the horse's
body
weight into two meals. The more meals that can be fed throughout the day,
the easier it is to digest the food and for the body to use it in the right
manner. I have also found that with my arabs, feeding a higher protein diet
and mixing in actual crushed corn (say half and half) helps to put weight
on.
Everyone has mentioned the teeth and worming with thier ideas, so I will
skip that again... Though when you rotate wormers, which I also believe is
a
good idea- make sure that the wormers you use are for the right season...
Different worms are here for different seasons and it depends greatly on
what part of the country you are from... Look into it before you do it...
I
have also heard that feeding hay before you feed grain helps in the
digestion
of grain. Because hay is a roughage, it takes more to digest it, therefore
if you feed the hay first and then the grain, Special's tummy would be
working at peek performance when the grain finally gets there and will then
be better digested... Good luck and be sure that with any major changes to
her diet, you do it gadually as to avoid chances of colic.
Marcia (CTRYGAL351@aol.com)
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From: prevatt@mail.lds.loral.com (Truman Prevatt)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:15:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [endurance] Quarter Horse
My walker is 16-2 and about 1000 pounds. It took about two years to get
her into good shape. It seems that Arabs in general get into shape much
faster (sometimes to their own detriment since the tendons and ligaments
aren't ready). After about two years of conditioning and 500 miles of
rides Misty's recoveries were becoming respectable but we were still doing
slow rides (6 and 7 hours). After the third season more speed work and and
1000 miles they her recoveries were very good and she was doing faster
rides (she has actually done a sub four hour 50).
I do condition her a little differently than I will Dan, my Arabian. Since
Misty's biggest asset is here long stride and flat out speed I trian her to
use it. We do a lot of long uphill galloping to train the system to run at
high RPM and recover quickly from it. This type of training (which I
started after about two years) seems to be the key factor in her improving
recoveries and faster times. On a ride we tend to lay back the first loop
until she is fully warmed up (that is a real argument since she thinks she
is warmed up from the start) and then really book to make time where the
going is good and back off where the going is not so good.
With her 5 to 6 mph walk (most Arabs have to jog to keep up with her walk)
she can still make decent time at a walk. This is the way we trian so this
is the way we ride and she does much better this way than at a consistent
even pace.
So I think the right built quarter horse will do fine, depending on what
you want to do with him. But I do think it will take longer to get him
ready and I think you may have to ride them somewhat differently depending
on the horse's strengths.
>His first & only "hot weather" ride was the Old Dominion in 1995 - he
pulled
>at the 1/2 way stop - over heated w/ marginal recoveries. He may have been
>allowed to continue, but it wasn't fair to the horse (& it wasn't going to
>get ANY cooler or less humid). In cool weather rides, he is a BLAST to
ride.
>
I sure would feel bad about pulling in the 95 OD. About 3/4 of the horses
also couldn't handle that heat and humidity.
Turmna
____________________________________________________________________________
__
The race is not always to the swift, but to those that keep running.
Truman and Mystic "The Horse from HELL" Storm
and Danson "The Demon in Training" Flame
prevatt@lds.loral.com - Sarasota, Florida
____________________________________________________________________________
__
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From: hall@cc.denison.edu (Jude Hall)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:28:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [endurance] re: endurance/appropropriate topics
Well, I for one, don't read rec.equestrian, don't have time to read any
other
group than this one.
I think it will be hard to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate for
this group to post. There are a lot of endurance related topics - trailers,
how we camp, heat them safely, etc. is valuable information to me. I guess
what I'm saying, that this group has intelligent solutions to problems that
we all have as distance riders, and have always been willing to share those
thoughts/solutions.
I don't mind (in fact I love it) getting 20 messages a day on endurance. I
really can't recall anything I've seen posted that has not been helpful to
me in
an endurance related context.
I value what the members of this group have to say on subjects that are
distance riding related - I would be disappointed if the only postings I
received were ride results....
Perhaps it is because I am pretty new to this sport, but "how do you"
questions/answers in a number of subjects that may seem off-topic are really
helpful. As in any other group, if there are certain subjects one knows
they are not interested in reading, they are easily deleted.
At this time of year, there are few rides happening, a good time to
share information.
Just my 2 cents..
Jude Hall
Hall@cc.denison.edu
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From: "Robert McAfee" <RobertMcAfee@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 15:42:05 UT
Subject: FW: [endurance] Spring Fever 50/25
Judy Hall
It is hilly, but not too bad. I dont think you would have any trouble.
Take
your time - it'll be a great training ride.
- ---------
From: Jude Hall
Sent: Monday, January 29, 1996 3:16 PM
To: Robert McAfee
Subject: Re: [endurance] Spring Fever 50/25
-
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- ------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob, what is the terrain like there? It's pretty early for me (I'm
a novice, would only do 25), but even that could be a lot that early
in the year if it is real hilly. I've never been to Clark State Forest,
but saw that there are a couple of rides there last year and would like
to come over (I'm in Ohio) and ride. Sounds as if it may be too
tough for a March ride for me, though...
Jude Hall
Granville, Ohio
& Kentucky Redbud (aka the racking racehorse)
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From: Karen Steenhof <ksteenho@eagle.idbsu.edu>
Date: 30 Jan 1996 08:58:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [endurance] Too Skinny--HELP!
Looks like you got quite a bit of good advice on feeding, but your
problem might be related to your conditioning program as well.
Did you say you lived in the northwest and were conditioning 52 miles
a week? In my opinion, 52 miles a week is quite a bit in the cold
weather and bad footing. With the competition season more than 2
months down the road, you run the risk of "over conditioning" your
horse. The rule of thumb that I was taught was approximately 30 miles
a week (admittedly not all miles are equal) even during the
competition season. My suggestion would be to start with fewer miles
per week in the winter and work up to 30 or 40 when you want to start
competition.
Karen Steenhof
Boise, Idaho
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From: BECHACK@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:39:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [endurance] Inappropriate topics
Dianne, I enjoyed the very quick note about the trailer. It is just as
exciting as a new horse, and nowhere else is there going to be a group of
horsewomen that can enjoy it as much as the rest of us. You cant get to the
rides and support the sport without one!
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From: BECHACK@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:39:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [endurance] New Arrival
Sorry, I did forget to mention that we turn OFF the heater before going to
bed.
Safe camping to all.
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From: Kathy Myers <Kathy.MYERS@syntex.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:15:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [endurance] On Topics
Hi All!
I too think that trucks and trailers are *part*
of endurance. We need them to train and we
need them to get to rides and we need them to
be as enduring and endearing as our horses are
since we spend so many miles in them and we
need them to be functional for us and above
all reliable.
Having said that I don't have one yet. I am
planning on buying a truck first... if I can
convince my husband he needs one (his car is
older than mine and needs to be replaced
anyways...). I, for one, am very relieved
that trucks can get decent gas [sic] mileage
these days and if that 30+ mpg Cummins diesel
engine ever really comes off the conveyor belt
I would hope that information would be blasted
all over this list.
And I like to hear what trailers people are buying
because I will be buying exactly one of those
someday soon too.
We are having this discussion on the derby list
(horse racing... it's really quite informative)
and it turned out that while some are looking for
more handicapping info everyone is getting something
from the diversity... including some great posts
on how to adopt out these horses. The diversity
won hands down.
:) - kat
kathy.myers@syntex.com
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From: Carol Randall <carol.randall@aslan.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:16:18 -0800
Subject: [endurance] Directory
Hi Everybody!
Roger Garlitz and I are putting together a directory for the endurance list.
If you would like to be included in the directory, please send an email in
the following tbe instructions below. Only members of the endurance list
will receive a copy. You can send your information to Roger to the address
below until February 8. After that date, send any changes or additions
directly to Carol.
Please turn off your signature before you send the following information.
to: endurancedirectory@txranger.com
subject: your last name, your first name
message: (line 1) first name, last name
(line 2) Email address
(line 3) street address
(line 4) city
(line 5) state
(line 6) zip
(line 7) country
(line 8) phone
This specific format will allow for easy entry and sorting in the list. If
you do not wish to include specific information place several xxxx in its
place. Here is an example of how your email should look:
to:endurancedirectory@txranger.com
subject: Johnson William
MESSAGE: Bill Johnson
WJ@net.com
810 Star Court
Jarmatcity
Georgia
77758
xxxxs
542 335 6679
"Endeavor to Persevere" , Roger Garlitz
and
Carol Randall (cerandall@ucdavis.edu)
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From: "Leslie Murgatroyd" <murgnme@pacific.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:47:52 +8
Subject: re: [endurance] Inappropriate topics
Another thought on the trailer...
Maybe someday I'll be ready to get a trailer, like Diane just got,
and now I know that I could contact her, for more info about it,
before I go out and buy one. It's not like she told us about her new
car... I would like more info about the trailer, like what brand,
size, price, etc...
My "pet peeve" is personal messages posted to this list!
Then, again, we all have "delete" capabilities....
Leslie
- ------------------------------
I'd rather be riding!
Leslie Murgatroyd <murgnme@pacific.net> Kelseyville, CA
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From: LSJWeston@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:49:06 -0500
Subject: [endurance] Subject matter
IMO, there have been very few topics discussed on this board that haven't
had
some educational value. Even the gal announcing her new trailer gave
someone
else an idea about insulation and getting a good night's sleep. And in the
process I learned something too about selecting the right trailer when my
turn comes around so that I don't freeze at night. My point is: let's not
censor things - let's open our minds. Something may come up you just haven't
given any thought to yet.
Soap box over.
Linda
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From: nancyc@nwlink.com (Nancy Churchill)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:13:46 -0800
Subject: [endurance] Snowballs in Hooves
Here in Seattle, we have had almost 6 inches of snow during the last
weekend, followed by a cold snap that sent our daytime highs plunging into
the twenties. I know that you folks back east have been coping with much
worse, so I'm sure that someone will have an answer to my question.
My horse, Chavo, who is wearing shoes, is getting snowballs in his feet.
I'm not riding him, this is just from wandering around pasture. They are
extremely hard to dislodge; I bent my hoofpick trying to get them out this
morning. I think they are starting to make him sore, its like walking on a
ball!
How do you prevent the buildup of ice and snow in the feet of a shod horse?
Thanks!
Nancy Churchill nancyc@nwlink.com Redmond, WA
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From: hall@cc.denison.edu (Jude Hall)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:28:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [endurance] re: endurance/appropropriate topics
Well, I for one, don't read rec.equestrian, don't have time to read any
other
group than this one.
I think it will be hard to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate for
this group to post. There are a lot of endurance related topics - trailers,
how we camp, heat them safely, etc. is valuable information to me. I guess
what I'm saying, that this group has intelligent solutions to problems that
we all have as distance riders, and have always been willing to share those
thoughts/solutions.
I don't mind (in fact I love it) getting 20 messages a day on endurance. I
really can't recall anything I've seen posted that has not been helpful to
me in
an endurance related context.
I value what the members of this group have to say on subjects that are
distance riding related - I would be disappointed if the only postings I
received were ride results....
Perhaps it is because I am pretty new to this sport, but "how do you"
questions/answers in a number of subjects that may seem off-topic are really
helpful. As in any other group, if there are certain subjects one knows
they are not interested in reading, they are easily deleted.
At this time of year, there are few rides happening, a good time to
share information.
Just my 2 cents..
Jude Hall
Hall@cc.denison.edu
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