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From: prevatt@lds.loral.com (Truman Prevatt)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:20:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Vet checks/number of riders etc
The type of gate Joe described are very useful, especially at the first few
vet checks where most horses arrive within a short span of time. After the
horses get spread out then it doesn't matter. But on a 50 with the vet
check at 12 miles, you would expect all the horses to arrive at the first
vet check in a half hour time window (50 horses in 1/2 hour can get very
confusing) and the method described by Joe is very useful.
Truman
>I'm wondering if the elaborate in gates/times in
>methods we are discussing are necessary at smaller
>rides...our ride in Idaho usually has 25-35 riders in
>the 30, 35-50 in the 50 mile ride and under 20 in the
>longer distances. Are these about the same numbers of
>people in rides in other parts of the country ?
>
>I'm interested in improving the flow through our
>vet checks, but have been thinking its a design
>problem. Like the idea of different areas for
>those ready to be checked. Hey Steph, I'm saving all
>these posts for ideas for next year !
>
>Ann
______________________________________________________________________________
The race is not always to the swift, but to those that keep running.
Truman and Mystic "The Horse from HELL" Storm
prevatt@lds.loral.com - Sarasota, Florida
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From: rsantana@rsantana.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 13:42:55 pST
Subject: Re: race etiquette
Mike,
I see that your are a vet. I have to disagree with you and find it
disturbing that you say riders are in a race when they are in 17th
place! Endurance horse sport was never meant to be a race! It originated
as a challenge to horse and rider. It is the riders who have turned it
into a race. And there is still only one first place (winner) position!
What good could possibly be served by racing in from 14th or 17th place?
You're not going to make it to first place with only 5-6 miles to go.
Why stress the horse that much? Save him for anther day when first may
be in the sight.
The AERC went through this whole "to finish is to win"
versus "the race" thing only a few years ago. The points made at that
time was that we ride for our own reasons, be it challenge of the trail
or to seek personal glory (the horse doesn't have an opinion here). One
group should not diminish the other's reasons for participating in
endurance. The racers felt the finishers were challenging their right to
race and win. The finishers felt the sport was becoming too race
oriented and the rides were putting emphasis on the win. I personally
find endurance riding fun, a great way to ride trails I never would
ride, and challenging for me and my horses.
Ray Santana
University of California at Davis
Medical Center
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Paul,
Regarding gates on the trail, common sense must reign supreme.
Either group A would need to slam the gate shut in Group B's face or else
leave it open and let Group B shut it.
They could do the chivalrous thing by waiting and shutting the gate behind
Group B, but it is a race, not dinner on the town.
Mike
C. Mike Tomlinson, DVM
Tomlinson Consortium
501-D West Redlands Blvd.
Redlands, CA 92373-4642
(909)307-2369
Fax(909)307-2366
CMikeT@AOL.com
Mike@Tomlinson.com
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From: Ann Warrington <RLINARCH@WSUVM1.csc.wsu.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 14:02:45 PDT
Subject: Vet checks/number of riders etc
I'm wondering if the elaborate in gates/times in
methods we are discussing are necessary at smaller
rides...our ride in Idaho usually has 25-35 riders in
the 30, 35-50 in the 50 mile ride and under 20 in the
longer distances. Are these about the same numbers of
people in rides in other parts of the country ?
I'm interested in improving the flow through our
vet checks, but have been thinking its a design
problem. Like the idea of different areas for
those ready to be checked. Hey Steph, I'm saving all
these posts for ideas for next year !
Ann
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From: F_SCHERERTA@TITAN.SFASU.EDU
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:24:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: race etiquette
On Thu, 10 Aug 1995 rsantana@rsantana.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu wrote:
> What a great subject for controversy!
> First of all I think general trail etiquette needs to be followed a
> little more closely on endurance rides. 15 year ago when I first started
> riding endurance it was common practice to call out to rideres ahead
> that you wanted to pass. Now I am frequently blasted off the trail by
> people hurrying by without a word from them. "TRAIL PLEASE" the commonly
> used phrase.
I still call out to people "passing on right or passing on left", that is
how I was taught and that is how I taught my husband and children. Maybe
ride managers should go over this with the new people and even the old
people who forget that it is still suppose to be fun even though it is a
competition. I have had people blast right by me on a small skinny trail
and my horse supports a large red bandanna on her tail. When I see
someone comming by I get off the trail as much as possible and turn her
head towards the trail. She does not kick but she did once and I don't
want to take a chance of another horse or rider getting hurt so I do take
a lot of precautions.
> So in your question about gates, it is common courtesy to hold a
> gate for approaching riders. It is also common courtesy to wait for the
> rider holding the gate to mount up before riding off. This helps prevent
> the horse from getting excited about being left behind abd running off
> before the rider is fully mounted.
> Again this is an area where riders have gotten too involved in "the
> race" instead of remembering this sport is mostly for fun and very
> little glory. Being in 17th place and racing to attempt to catch up to
> the 10th rider is against the basic principals of endurance riding, "to
> finish is to win", and probably would not serve any good for the horse
> since it would probably be a lot more tired from having to race hard for
> a silly 10th place finish. I cannot recall any horse that
> finished 10th and received BC.
> Remember there is only one first place award.
> I watched a rider do this very thing at the Fireworks ride. He had
> trouble getting the horse down in the last vet check. Then came racing
> past me because he was in 11th place and just had to catch number 10.
> well he came in 10th all right but his horse was exhausted, and "tied
> up" at the finish. Needless to say he didn't even get a completion award
> let alone be judged for BC! so was it worth it to hurry? You be the
> judge!
>
>
> Ray Santana
> University of California at Davis
> Medical Center
>
>
> ----------------------------- Note follows -----------------------------
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:40:55 -0700
> Message-Id: <199508101740.KAA21593@ix9.ix.netcom.com>
> From: PRoach@ix.netcom.com (paul roach)
> Subject: race etiquette
> To: endurance@moscow.com
> Sender: owner-endurance@moscow.com
> Precedence: list
>
> Greetings!
>
> I'm a southern California endurance rider relatively new to the List.
> This is my first contribution; although its a lengthy one, I suspect
> that many of you will find the subject of some interest.
>
> The subject is etiquette. My question has to do with gates. I raise
> the issue because I was involved in an incident during the Bridgeport
> ride which got at least one person steamed up. As I had never before
> been in a ride in which gates had to be openned and closed by the
> riders, I was not at all sure how I ought to think about it. So just
> for fun I thought that I'd let all of you think about it too.
>
> Here's the context: First, at the pre-ride meeting Jackie B. lets us
> know that there will be some gates, and that we need to close them after
> passing through. Second, the incident I'll describe happens just after
> the third (and last) vet-check. It involves four riders who are in
> something like 14th to 18th place, and who are all looking to make a
> strong move toward the top ten. In other words, at this point it is
> indeed a race.
>
> Here is what happened: two riders, riding together, (group A) passes
> another two (Group B) about half a mile out of the vet-check and
> attempts to put distance between themselves and these two other riders.
> Maybe a minute or so after passing, Group A comes to a gate, stops,
> opens the gate. As the horses of group A move through the gate, Group B
> comes around the bend in the road and approaches the gate, arriving at
> the gate while it is still open. Group A riders figure that, since they
> took to time to open the gate, Group B can take the time to close it,
> and they take off at a canter to catch some horses. Group B moves
> through the gate and closes it, but feels that that was Group A's
> responsibility, since it openned the gate in the first place.
>
> Here's my thinking: If group A is required to stick around and close the
> gate it is at a clear disadvantage; it had maybe a 30 second advantge
> over group B when it got to the gate. Should it be required to give up
> that advantage by allowing a following group to close the gap while it
> is busy dealing with the gate and then allowing the following group
> through before closing the gate? Surely it would not be thought of two
> kindly if group A had closed the gate in the faces of group B, although
> that would seem the fairest thing to do (each group would have had to
> both open and close the same gate). On the other hand, group B is at a
> bit of a disadvantage in this case, because the gate in question can be
> openned, but not closed, from horseback. Consequently, it could take a
> bit more time to close the gate than to open it. So, the way I see it
> you give a minimal break to the leading riders, if you let them leave
> the open gate to the group behind, or you give a bigger break to the
> folling group if you require the first group to stay and close the gate.
> Or you give no-one an advantage by requiring the first group to slam the
> door, as it were, in the faces to the following group.
>
> Anyway, I'd like to see your thoughts on the matter. Perhaps there is a
> consensus on the subject which I have not found yet.
>
> Paul Roach
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Dominique Freeman <fadjurs@sadandy.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:29:03 -0600 (PDT)
Subject: Email sign up at Swanton 100
Hi All,
In an effort to increase the amount of "endurance rider" communication,
I will have a sign up sheet at the Swanton Pacific 100 for those of you
willing to share your email addresses with local as well as out of state
riders who may not realize there is an endurance home page on the net.
I also want to encourage all those people who have a home or business computer,
with or without modem, to hook up and get with the 90's!
If you dont get a chance to sign up at check in, catch me on the trail
(a bay horse, orange tack, with "@" shaved on his Fadjur *buttox*), or
leave the information at the awards table Sunday morning, and I'll collect
it then,
Happy trails,
Dom and the boyz (Fadjurs, Jur Prize, Arabick Jayare and Marco Fadjurs)
______________________________________________________________________
Dominique Freeman | "Life is short, science is long" |
fadjurs@sadandy.hpl.hp.com | |
Hewlett Packard Laboratories, | |
Palo Alto, CA USA | |
Phone: (415) 857-8596 | |
FAX: (415) 852-8576 | |
______________________________________________________________________
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From: rsantana@rsantana.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 15:49:30 pST
Subject: Re: race etiquette
So are we allowed to carry and use a whip against rude riders? Or
their horses? Some form of notification would sure be nice from those
coming up behind those of us who ride more conservatively. Also I like
to take it easy on my young horses before trying anything fancy like
going fast all the way start to finish! My older gelding once kicked a
rider after she ran her horse into his fetlocks 3 times. 3 strikes and
you're out (or kicked in this case)!
>From the OS/2 desk of Ray Santana
University of California at Davis
Medical Center
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From: linda_cowles@MENTORG.COM (Linda Cowles @ PCB x5624)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 15:17:01 -0700
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On Aug 10, 4:24pm, F_SCHERERTA@TITAN.SFASU.EDU wrote:
> I still call out to people "passing on right or passing on left", that is
> how I was taught and that is how I taught my husband and children. Maybe
> ride managers should go over this with the new people and even the old
> people who forget that it is still suppose to be fun even though it is a
> competition.
>-- End of excerpt from F_SCHERERTA@TITAN.SFASU.EDU
This is a great idea. I have had to really get firm (well, obnoxious!)
with oblivious riders that use my horse as brakes, running into him rather
than pulling up...
"If your horses' nose is on my shirt, he's too <f***ing> close, okay?
Thanks."
One of the only times I'd welcome a case of projectile diarrhea ;^)!
Good sportsmanship and manners are qualities that we need to try and
encourage... they increase the feeling of comradre and friendship.
Linda
(counting the minutes till Tevis and wondering if she'll be able to restrain
the urge to steal a horse at the Bluff and race into town - Eeeehhaaaa! Heck,
it's only 30 more miles!!!!)
P.S. Hey Truman - The Tevis Yuppiemobile "Babe" (my new 1 ton Dodge Cummins
that someone called a yuppie truck on rec.eq, for those of you not connected)
is washed and shined and ready to roll - no horse trailer though.... kinda
spoils the picture ;^)
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From: step@fsr.com (Stephanie Teeter)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:18:16 +0800
Subject: Re: Email sign up at Swanton 100
Go get'm Dominique!
Steph
>>>>> "Dominique" == Dominique Freeman <fadjurs@sadandy.hpl.hp.com> writes:
> Hi All, In an effort to increase the amount of "endurance rider"
> communication, I will have a sign up sheet at the Swanton
> Pacific 100 for those of you willing to share your email
> addresses with local as well as out of state riders who may not
> realize there is an endurance home page on the net.
> I also want to encourage all those people who have a home or
> business computer, with or without modem, to hook up and get
> with the 90's!
> If you dont get a chance to sign up at check in, catch me on the
> trail (a bay horse, orange tack, with "@" shaved on his Fadjur
> *buttox*), or leave the information at the awards table Sunday
> morning, and I'll collect it then,
> Happy trails,
> Dom and the boyz (Fadjurs, Jur Prize, Arabick Jayare and Marco
> Fadjurs)
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Dominique Freeman | "Life is short, science is long" |
> fadjurs@sadandy.hpl.hp.com | | Hewlett Packard Laboratories, | |
> Palo Alto, CA USA | | Phone: (415) 857-8596 | | FAX: (415)
> 852-8576 | |
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From: linda_cowles@MENTORG.COM (Linda Cowles @ PCB x5624)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 15:17:01 -0700
Subject: Re: race etiquette
On Aug 10, 4:24pm, F_SCHERERTA@TITAN.SFASU.EDU wrote:
> I still call out to people "passing on right or passing on left", that is
> how I was taught and that is how I taught my husband and children. Maybe
> ride managers should go over this with the new people and even the old
> people who forget that it is still suppose to be fun even though it is a
> competition.
>-- End of excerpt from F_SCHERERTA@TITAN.SFASU.EDU
This is a great idea. I have had to really get firm (well, obnoxious!)
with oblivious riders that use my horse as brakes, running into him rather
than pulling up...
"If your horses' nose is on my shirt, he's too <f***ing> close, okay?
Thanks."
One of the only times I'd welcome a case of projectile diarrhea ;^)!
Good sportsmanship and manners are qualities that we need to try and
encourage... they increase the feeling of comradre and friendship.
Linda
(counting the minutes till Tevis and wondering if she'll be able to restrain
the urge to steal a horse at the Bluff and race into town - Eeeehhaaaa! Heck,
it's only 30 more miles!!!!)
P.S. Hey Truman - The Tevis Yuppiemobile "Babe" (my new 1 ton Dodge Cummins
that someone called a yuppie truck on rec.eq, for those of you not connected)
is washed and shined and ready to roll - no horse trailer though.... kinda
spoils the picture ;^)
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From: BULTE@INFO.FORASOL.atlas.fr
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:48:02 +0200
Subject: Vet procedure
I'm surprised
1- you have to wait for a P&R check to enter in the vet area
2- that is not always under control of a veterinian.
In France (and ELDRIC rides) we may decide to enter when we want (the
rider)
and then only the vet checks pulse and gait.
I f every thing is not ok, you are just pulled out without an another chance.
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From: BULTE@INFO.FORASOL.atlas.fr
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:48:02 +0200
Subject: Vet procedure
I'm surprised
1- you have to wait for a P&R check to enter in the vet area
2- that is not always under control of a veterinian.
In France (and ELDRIC rides) we may decide to enter when we want (the
rider)
and then only the vet checks pulse and gait.
I f every thing is not ok, you are just pulled out without an another chance.
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From: BULTE@INFO.FORASOL.atlas.fr
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:13:47 +0200
Subject: Vet in and medical check up
"it just before it leaves its hold than just after it has met
criteria and entered its hold. After an hour or even a half hour a
horse can start to stiffen up or show the beginning signs of colic.
These symptoms may not be apparent right after a horse comes in and is
still full of adrenalin."
Perfectly thru that's why our first class vet "Philippe Bernardeau" is using
on our National rides (in France) a final inspection 5mn BEFORE starting.
He just advices the rider to continue or to stop.
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From: Karen Steenhof <ksteenho@eagle.idbsu.edu>
Date: 11 Aug 1995 07:54:48 -0600
Subject: Veterinary Help Wanted
Help! Help!
A ride is in jeopardy because we have been unable to find a second
vet. The Old Selam ride, scheduled for October 19 just outside of
Boise Idaho, may have to be cancelled if we do not get a 2nd vet lined
up. Are there any vets out there who would be able to work the ride, or
do any of you know any vets who could? Salary and travel would be
negotiable (up to a point).
Please email me today if you can help. I would hate to see this ride
cancelled at such a late date.
Karen Steenhof
ksteenho@eagle.idbsu.edu
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 05:43 GMT
Subject: temp unsubscribe
I'm going out of town for two weeks and I can't have my mail backing up on
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From: step@fsr.com (Stephanie Teeter)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 07:04:33 +0800
Subject: Re: Vet procedure
>>>>> "BULTE" == BULTE <BULTE@INFO.FORASOL.atlas.fr> writes:
> I'm surprised 1- you have to wait for a P&R check to enter in
> the vet area 2- that is not always under control of a
> veterinian.
> In France (and ELDRIC rides) we may decide to enter when we want
> (the rider) and then only the vet checks pulse and gait.
> I f every thing is not ok, you are just pulled out without an
> another chance.
Pierre - does your horse have to be at a minimum pulse at this
point? Does your hold begin *as soon as* you arrive at the check?
Steph
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From: CMikeT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:40:19 -0400
Subject: Re: race etiquette
Paul,
Regarding gates on the trail, common sense must reign supreme.
Either group A would need to slam the gate shut in Group B's face or else
leave it open and let Group B shut it.
They could do the chivalrous thing by waiting and shutting the gate behind
Group B, but it is a race, not dinner on the town.
Mike
C. Mike Tomlinson, DVM
Tomlinson Consortium
501-D West Redlands Blvd.
Redlands, CA 92373-4642
(909)307-2369
Fax(909)307-2366
CMikeT@AOL.com
Mike@Tomlinson.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:19:49 +0800
Subject: [glawson@ibm.net: Marciante Saddle for sale]
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From: rsantana@rsantana.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 13:25:00 pST
Subject: Vet procedure
The vet gate is open to any who want to enter it. When you enter the
vet area your arrival time is recorded. Your time in hold only does not
begin until you get a pulse check within criteria.
If your pulse is not within criteria then your hold time does not
begin.
The vet checks the pulse again usually and all other signs for
fitness. You usually will not see a vet until the pulse criteria is
met.
Now this means someone could in fact be having trouble without the
knowledge of a vet. Hopefully and usually the vet is made aware of
problems riders are having with their horse by the P&R crews.
This procedure of having some else check the pulse frees the vet up
for checking fitness of the animal and to attend to problems. But of
course any system is open to abuses by uncaring riders!
From the OS/2 desk of Ray Santana
University of California at Davis
Medical Center
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I'm surprised
1- you have to wait for a P&R check to enter in the vet area
2- that is not always under control of a veterinian.
In France (and ELDRIC rides) we may decide to enter when we want (the
rider)
and then only the vet checks pulse and gait.
I f every thing is not ok, you are just pulled out without an another chance.
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From: DKAdams@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 20:30:04 -0400
Subject: new to list
I'm not only new to this list, I'm also new to endurance. I'll be competing
in my first ride in September...well, perhaps competing is too strong a word.
I'll be attempting to ride 25 miles without hurting myself or others.
Please feel free to advise me, especially those of you who are still new to
the sport and can remember what the first ride was like for you.
Because I *am* new, I don't want to assume too much. I haven't seen
information about upcoming rides posted here. Is that permissible?
Deborah Adams
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From: "Joe Long" <mail.hiwaay.net@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 20:15:47 -5000
Subject: Re: race etiquette
Endurance sport was never meant to be a race?
Endurance rides are many things to many people. One of these things
is a race, and they have been races since before the AERC was even
organized. As you admitted in your own second paragraph, those who
wish to race can race, those who seek to test themselves and their
horse against the trail can do that, and those with still other goals
can pursue those.
Why race if you're in 17th place and moving up to first is
impossible? Many reasons. AERC rides have five divisions; maybe
you're racing for first (or bonus points) in your division. Maybe
you're just trying to finish as high up as you can. Maybe you are
just trying to beat one particular rider, out of a friendly (or even
unfriendly) rivalry.
It is not for us to judge or condemn another rider for racing,
whatever his position and whatever his motivation, as long as he
does not hurt his horse.
Besides, the situation at the gate could just as easily have happened
to the front runners. It was a legitimate question.
For the record, I believe that although the first group was under no
obligation to leave the gate open for the following riders, as long
as they were within a few seconds of arriving it was good courtesy
and sportsmanship to leave it open for them -- and for the second
group to close it. If the second group actually complained about
having to close the gate, when the first group could have just shut
it in their faces, then I believe they were exhibiting bad
sportsmanship.
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> From: rsantana@rsantana.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
> Mike,
> I see that your are a vet. I have to disagree with you and find it
> disturbing that you say riders are in a race when they are in 17th
> place! Endurance horse sport was never meant to be a race! It originated
> as a challenge to horse and rider. It is the riders who have turned it
> into a race. And there is still only one first place (winner) position!
> What good could possibly be served by racing in from 14th or 17th place?
> You're not going to make it to first place with only 5-6 miles to go.
> Why stress the horse that much? Save him for anther day when first may
> be in the sight.
> The AERC went through this whole "to finish is to win"
> versus "the race" thing only a few years ago. The points made at that
> time was that we ride for our own reasons, be it challenge of the trail
> or to seek personal glory (the horse doesn't have an opinion here). One
> group should not diminish the other's reasons for participating in
> endurance. The racers felt the finishers were challenging their right to
> race and win. The finishers felt the sport was becoming too race
> oriented and the rides were putting emphasis on the win. I personally
> find endurance riding fun, a great way to ride trails I never would
> ride, and challenging for me and my horses.
>
> Ray Santana
> University of California at Davis
> Medical Center
>
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Joe Long "There are more things in Heaven
PC/LAN Manager and Earth, Horatio, than are
Calhoun Community College dreampt of in your philosophy."
jlong@hiwaay.net (Shakespeare)
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From: "Gwen Dluehosh" <dluehosh@vt.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:46:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: pins
Thanks Nick, I got my "box" of pins. I wish I had been smart enough to send
you more stamps. They look really good. I will be sharing them up at the
Fort Valley Ride. I talked to some people at OD that were interested in
them, but couldn't write down the email address at that moment. So, this
will HELP!
Thanks again, Gwen
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From: BULTE@INFO.FORASOL.atlas.fr
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:09:04 +0200
Subject: Debate
If any people is in Paris end of august we will be please
to welcome them for a dinner.
The debate title will be
"Arab from desert to Endurance rides"
by JF LEGROS and B. LUX
on Wednesday 30 August at 9 pm
There are breeders in Ardeche and are perpetuating
E-mail : 100450.2125@compuserve.com
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From: prevatt@lds.loral.com (Truman Prevatt)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:04:57 -0400
Subject: Re: gate-into-hold - how do you guys do it?
On Most Southeast rides, the p/r people are in the p/r area. As soon as
you enter the gate and call for a time, the timer records your time. Your
hold time only starts at that time if your pulse is verified to be down.
Your pulse is then verified by a p/r person. If it is down she calls to
the timer for your time and the recorded time is recorded as your p/r time.
This can save a few minutes and reduces the confusion. If your horse is
not down, you go out and come in again later.
Most SE rides don't have penalty for presenting over. Some of the big
rides, OD, etc. do however.
>From what I have learned over the past several years the most important
staff members to insure a ride goes smoothly is the timers. Good timers
can make a ride.
>
>To get this straight - there are p/r people *only* inside the
>roped off area? And your hold time begins as soon as you enter
>the area? Do you ever have penalties for presenting for
>a pulse too early?
>
>This seems like a very reasonable system to
>me. We'll definitely give it a try at our ride next year.
>
>How do the International rides do their gate-into-holds? I know
>that they will penalize for presenting too early - is there a
>roped off area as you described?
>
>Steph
>
>(Welcome to the group Nikki!)
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The race is not always to the swift, but to those that keep running.
Truman and Mystic "The Horse from HELL" Storm
prevatt@lds.loral.com - Sarasota, Florida
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From: prevatt@lds.loral.com (Truman Prevatt)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:15:00 -0400
Subject: Re: race etiquette
My basic opinion is if a group arrives together at a gate, the all wait
until the person opening and closing the gate remount and is ready to go.
If group A arrives first and group B is close enough to cause no problems
leaving the gate open (cows won't excape for example), then group A rides
on leaving the gate open for group B and group B closes the gate.
>Greetings!
>The subject is etiquette. My question has to do with gates. I raise
>the issue because I was involved in an incident during the Bridgeport
>ride which got at least one person steamed up. As I had never before
>been in a ride in which gates had to be openned and closed by the
>riders, I was not at all sure how I ought to think about it. So just
>for fun I thought that I'd let all of you think about it too.
>
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The race is not always to the swift, but to those that keep running.
Truman and Mystic "The Horse from HELL" Storm
prevatt@lds.loral.com - Sarasota, Florida
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