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Re: DVE thoughts



Here's another west region director's view of the DVE issue:
There is some discretion that can be exercised regarding riding the wrong
trail, so long as the distance was not shortened.  But the fact that the
riders did not attend the vet check is not permissible in AERC rules.

Barbara McCrary
West region director
Chair-Rules Committee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynne Glazer" <lynne@glazer.org>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Cc: <pchaynes@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: RC: DVE thoughts


> Ohhhh, no.  I don't want every rider to manage a ride.  I just want
> every rider to volunteer at least once a year instead of riding, and
> be exposed to the myriad behind the scenes decisions, timing and
> details.
>
> There are some riders who I wouldn't trust to manage details at the
> level necessary to offer a safe trail, fair competition according to
> the rules, decent logistics and awards, in order to enable horse and
> rider to go home happy.
>
> Timing is everything--just because Jackie didn't want to address the
> rider's concern at just that *moment* doesn't mean she's not
> interested in rider reports of malfeasance from the trail.
>
> In general, not passing all the control points and not staying on
> marked trail is not meeting the criteria for completion, as clearly
> stated in the rules, though ride management is allowed a certain
> amount of discretion.
>
> For those who haven't dragged out their rulebook:
>
> L6. Completion requires meeting all of the following criteria:
>                                a. All riders and mounts must be
> present and accounted for at the start
>                                of the ride.
>                                b. Properly entered in the ride
>                                c. Obeying all the rules
>                                d. Following the prescribed course, and
> doing multiple loops in the
>                                correct order
>                                e. Passing all control points
>                                f. Passing all vet requirements
>                                g. Finishing within the prescribed maximum
time
>                                h. Not being disqualified
>                                i. Meeting criteria at post finish line
check.
>                                j. Meeting any other criteria
> prescribed by ride management.
>                                k. Not having been paced or prompted by
> an un-entered, withdrawn, or
>                                otherwise unauthorized equine, vehicle
> or person other than another
>                                entrant. This does not preclude the
> ordinary support services of
>                                attendants or pit crews. A crew may
> accompany their rider down a
>                                public road in a support vehicle(unless
> there is a ride management
>                                prohibition against it) provided they
> do not push or haze the equine.
>
> Putting an LD for 4 days into a multiday 50 that is partly
> point-to-point is a daunting proposition, and I applaud Jackie for
> even attempting it.  I'm not sure I would agree with her decision to
> offer completion if the trail was deliberately cut and a vet check
> missed--though I was at the ride, I was not privy to the evidence
> offered by other competitors, so that makes it hard for any of us to
> judge.
>
> In any case, riders "vote with their feet" as to whether a ride lives
> or dies.  You make your best point when you choose not to do a ride
> again if you don't like the trail or the logistics, or the decisions
> of the ride manager...
>
> We talked here last summer about how there's a regional ride I won't
> do because the RM doesn't have the moral courage to make the tough
> decisions about rider disqualification due to dangerous behavior.
> That sure is something I wouldn't have to worry about with Jackie!
>
> Lynne
> only my 5th year of RM, a baby, eh? <g>
>
>
> At 7:44 AM -0800 1/25/02, Barbara McCrary wrote:
> >YESSSSS! Being a ride manager teaches one an entirely different
perspective.
> >It's often been said that EVERY rider should manage a ride at least once.
> >It should be compulsory.
> >
> >Barbara
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <Marinera@aol.com>
> >To: <ridecamp-d@endurance.net>
> >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 7:34 AM
> >Subject: RC: Re: ridecamp-d Digest V02 #115
> >
> >
> >>  David's attack on Jackie has come 3 1/2 weeks after the fact so he
> >obviously
> >>  has had trouble getting over it.  When he came to me, I agreed with
him
> >that
> >>  the ones that accidentally cut trail should get completions only.  His
> >reply
> >>  was that his protest to Jackie were met with, "not now, David, my
computer
> >>  has crashed.'  He wanted me to talk to Jackie and I told him we had
AERC
> >>  directors present to deal with such issues. Maryben was then called in
and
> >>  she went to Jackie who had already resolved the issue.
> >>
> >>  I think he needs a turn at being a ride manager and he would learn
there
> >is a
> >>  time and place for everything and that was not the moment to hassle
ride
> >>  management. Jackie is the best and she has my wholehearted support.
And
> >if
> >>  he didn't like the trail, he need not ever ride it again.
> >>
> >  > Julie Suhr
>
>
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