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    Re: [RC] "[Horses] don't understand reward and punishment" - Charles


    I think if you look, you'll see it all the time. 
     
    In the herd, make a wrong move you get punished.  Behave, you get left alone.  (release of pressure is a reward from what I read).
     
    Operant conditioning is around us all the time.  We just don't know it.
     
    Clicker training strikes me as another example (correct me if I'm wrong).
     
    Charles
    PS: It isn't a dog training issue. 
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [RC] "[Horses] don't understand reward and punishment"

    I'm talking about how they think and behave in a herd.  If you think your horse thinks like your dog go right ahead and treat them that way.  Todays horses do all kinds of unnatural things, why should operant conditioning be so hard to learn.  I just don't see it happening naturally in a herd.  I'll keep looking though;-)  Jennifer.

     "A. Perez" <walkergirl@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    Ok, it's a boring day at work, so I am probably responding to
    too many RC posts, so ignore this if you like - I won't be
    offended ;-)

    I have to beg to differ. Operant conditioning has been used
    successfully on animals as lowly as earthworms and jellyfish.
    If an animal experiences a positive stimulus (aka "reward")
    while doing something, it is more likely to repeat doing that
    soimething. If the reward is repeated on a variable schedule,
    it behavior is more likely to be repeated, and persist, even
    when the rewards are stopped. Conversly, if an animal
    experiences a negative stimulous ("punishment") when doing
    something, it is less likely do do it again. Timing is
    everything, however: the pos/neg stimulous must immediately
    accompany the behavior being reinforced/dsicouraged. You can't
    tell the horse "I'm beating you now because you ate your
    blanket last night" - it will have no idea what the punishment
    is for, and probably will associate the pushment with whatever
    it was doing at the time the beating commenced.
    Read Karen Pryor's "Don't Beat The Dog" for an excellent
    introduction to operant conditioning (yes, I know I have
    recommended this book 100 times before, but it really is good,
    and is an easy read, and it is NOT a dog training book, despite
    the title).



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