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    RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all plant lifefrom ESA (fw - Mike Sherrell


    As someone who occasionally gets to ride on the Mojave, I'm very glad it is
    hard to put up fences. I'm amazed any trailrider would whine about not being
    able to put up fences.
    
    Mike Sherrell
    Grizzly Analytical (USA)
    707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
    www.grizzlyanalytical.com
    
    
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Nannette Young
    > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:46 AM
    > To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > Subject: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all
    > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
    >
    >
    > Barbara,
    > I can sympathize!  My husband and I have a large chunk of
    > property that
    > boarders the Mojave National Preserve.  We would have to be
    > worth millions
    > before we could even contemplate putting fencing up for our
    > horses, let
    > alone build a house on it!  The museum and paleontologists,
    > fire department,
    > and any other government body one could think of needs to be
    > notified if we
    > walk across it!  Oh, and the turtle people as well!!!
    >
    > Of course the Preserve would love to get there hands on this
    > property!  I
    > think my husband is holding out just to thumb is nose at them!
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx>
    > To: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    > Cc: "RIDECAMP" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:03 AM
    > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
    > lands and all
    > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
    >
    >
    > > Perhaps you haven't had experiences of having your private property
    > > controlled by the ESA, but we have.  I'm sure this is a
    > two-edged sword,
    > but
    > > as property owners, we are getting quite tired of having us
    > restricted
    > from
    > > doing what we need to do on our own land.  We can't clear
    > log jams out of
    > > creeks, to prevent flooding and erosion during the winter
    > time, because
    > > removing the jams might cause harm to the fish in the
    > creek, etc., etc.
    > I,
    > > for one, am ready for some sanity in the government.  And it's very
    > > difficult to negotiate with the fanatical
    > environmentalists, because they
    > > don't want to learn anything new; they already think they
    > know it all.
    > > Maybe things are different in Reno, but in a radius of 100
    > miles or so of
    > > the San Francisco Bay area, with all of its tens of
    > thousands of city
    > > dwellers, they believe theirs is the ONLY WAY.  Urban
    > sprawl should be
    > > controlled in some other manner than denying private
    > property owners the
    > > right to manage their own land.  I'm all for controlled
    > building, up to a
    > > point.  But when it costs a person $70,000 in building
    > permits and all the
    > > "studies" that are necessary in order to remodel an
    > existing house, and
    > when
    > > it takes several years to finally obtain the permit, then
    > it is a society
    > > gone berserk.  One of our neighbors had to relocate the
    > site of the house
    > > they wished to build because of a wildflower that someone
    > decided was
    > going
    > > to be threatened.  The neighbor had planned to build the
    > house out of
    > sight
    > > of the public road, but in the end was forced to build on a
    > hilltop in
    > > conspicuous sight of the road.  And it's a rather ugly
    > house, to boot.
    > >
    > > Barbara
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    > > To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:39 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
    > lands and all
    > > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    > > > This type of legislation in not made so folks can "enjoy
    > their public
    > > lands"
    > > > it is made so lands can be developed.  Developement takes
    > lands out of
    > > > use--by destroying trails and trail heads, blocking trail
    > heads and
    > other
    > > > access to public lands.
    > > >
    > > > While laws can be changed and "enviromentalists" can be
    > negioitiated
    > with,
    > > > you can't negotiate with a gated community, a house built on the
    > > trailhead,
    > > > a golf course or a Walmart.  They are here to stay.   Be
    > carefull what
    > you
    > > > wish for.
    > > >
    > > > Happy Trails,
    > > > Maureen
    > > > Reno, NV
    > > >
    > > > (who has seen land and trail lost to all of the above, and more)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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