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    Re[2]: [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex - Roger Rittenhouse


    That was my point Bob. However the only way it would be an issue is IF
    someone reported a rider ' that they found a used tube of BCAA in the
    riders VC and SAW them give that tube to the horse.'
    
    There would be no blood test or urine test to prove squat.
    My word against yours.  Now we all know that will never happen?
    
    OK riders hide the DMG and BCCA, mix it with the elytes..
    Sure done that way now. ??
    I am not so sure it should be illegal.
    Rule 13 has been used for many  issues that may not be correct.
    
    For Bob  - if I give my horse xxx oz of a glucose supplement is that
    illegal-  sure is a normally occurring substance  given at a high
    unnatural level.
    
    Oh the carbohydrate substance I choose is - MAPLE SYRUP (re high
    fructose corn syrup)  or 2 cup of BROWN SUGAR. or a cup of MOLASSES.
    or a 3 pound jar of APPLESAUCE ( all sugar)
    
    Just so we dont get into strange named substances..
    Its done at many races    I have witnessed the above protocol.
     Legal? issue (not an issue that   it is  good or bad  for the horse.)
       ( thats later)   (3pnds of applesauce gone in 60 seconds.)hehehe.
    
    RC needed an new delete button.
    Stay on topic -feeding a natural substance in large qualities
    (abnormal)   during a ride. could one press rule 13 to xyz limits
    unfairly??
    
    
    Roger R
    
    BM> Well, when you dose with B.C.C.A. Complex you are violating
    BM> Rule 13 ....AERC prohibits from competition equines who
    BM> contain evidence of      the administration of abnormal
    BM> substances or of normal substances      in abnormal amounts
    BM> (exogenously administered compounds even   if normally found
    BM> endogenously). Since the complete effects of such
    BM> administration cannot be known, the fairness and safety
    BM> require the     prohibition of such practices.
    
    BM> So I would believe that if you dose the horse with these
    BM> substances the amount would be an abnormal amount as it is
    BM> not normally consumed in any quantity in nature. Thus the
    BM> use of these substances in competition are precluded whether
    BM> they test or not.
    
    BM> Bob
    
    BM> Bob Morris
    BM> Morris Endurance Enterprises
    BM> Boise, ID
    
    BM> -----Original Message-----
    BM> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    BM> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Truman
    BM> Prevatt
    BM> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:44 PM
    BM> To: roger@xxxxxxxxxxx
    BM> Cc: ridecamp
    BM> Subject: Re: [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex
    
    
    BM> Several years ago I came in to work one Monday morning after
    BM> a ride
    BM> stiff and sore. It's more the climbing into the truck and
    BM> driving 6 to 8
    BM> hours Sunday that allows me to get stiff. A coworker who is
    BM> a
    BM> competitive weight lifter saw my pain and turned me on to
    BM> BCAA. I went
    BM> to the local GNC and the next ride I took them after the
    BM> ride and on
    BM> Sunday morning and no more stiffness Monday morning. They do
    BM> work for
    BM> this. Most likely has to do with management of lactic acid
    BM> as Roger
    BM> points out.
    
    BM> I do give them to the horse after a ride and on Sunday
    BM> morning in his
    BM> feed, but I  use a bunch of the tablets I get form GNC for
    BM> me. He
    BM> deserves to be comfortable when he gets home. Do they
    BM> enhance endurance
    BM> performance - I have no idea. Will they turn the mid pack
    BM> horse into the
    BM> world champion - absolutely not. But will they cut 10
    BM> minutes off a 100
    BM> which might turn the 5 place in the world championship into
    BM> the world
    BM> champion - who knows. Will they test - what do you test for?
    BM> They are
    BM> nothing more than three proteins normally found. Like Roger
    BM> ask, is this
    BM> a drug or a perfectly legal feed supplement.
    
    
    BM> Truman (maybe this will get us off irrational hot button
    BM> number 3- LD -
    BM> onto hot button number 5 - Rule 13).
    
    
    
    BM> Roger Rittenhouse wrote:
    
    >>
    >>
    >>I use it AFTER a ride/race every time (for my horse)
    >>I use during a ride for ME.
    >>It speeds recovery.
    >>I dont think either are harmful
    >>
    >>I cannot find the studies from THE HORSE that said the BCAA
    BM> do work.
    >> They both show up in the horse as a naturally occurring
    BM> substance,
    >>since they are processed as needed you cannot find traces.
    >>Last but not least   NEITHER DMG nor BCAA will fail a drug
    BM> test.
    >>They are or can be performance enhancing.
    >>Are they BAD? WRONG?
    >>or FEED supplements?
    >>
    >>Would I use either ? I will take  the fifth first
    >>
    >>Just some un-scientific information and food for thought.
    >>Roger R
    >>
    >>Ready for the Krebs Cycle Lecture 202
    >>
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    >>
    >>Roger Rittenhouse
    >>
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