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    Re: [RC] Pigeon's Disease?? - Bette Lamore


    Hi Heidi
    Thanks for the info on the correct antibiotics. As I remember (and it's been some years) it was an inject able antibiotic that Dr. Gordon used so that rules out SMZ's as those we used were always oral. Seems to me it was penicillin rather than Gentamycin (my spelling is probably off, but hey--- my degrees were not in vet medicine :-) ) and I never heard about the drug to which you referred so I guess we did not have the antibiotics of choice. Wish I had known about something to speed the process up then, though!
    Not sure if this is true but my other vet, Dr. Elliot, was the one who said you had a greater chance of scarring if the abscess was lanced. All I know is that none of mine ever had scars and only one was lanced (the gelding's sheath---- he had his barmitzvah soon after! ;-)
    Bette


    Heidi Smith wrote:

    I agree with you, Merryben. I believe I said that although you can give
    antibiotics, lance etc., my opinion was to isolate and drain and keep
    Icthanol on it. The antibiotics seemed to make the disease last
    longer--- no help at all in the few cases that I allowed the vet to give
    them.


    Only if you give the wrong sort. Pigeon fever gets deep into the tissue and is apparently in the lymphatics--not the sort of situation where a typical blood-borne antibiotic can penetrate. And of course, there is no circulation into an abcess, either. An appropriate "antibiotic" for deep tissue infections such as this is one like IV sodium iodide--used to be an old-time treatment for things like woody tongue in cattle. A vet in central CA who dealt a lot with pigeon fever advised me, when we had a horrid outbreak of it in central Oregon, to use sodium iodide in addition to a regular antibiotic (SMZ was the antibiotic of choice, since abcesses will go ahead and form and rupture when one is using it). We took his advice, and in an outbreak where we treated 80 head in just a few weeks, we only had a handful that didn't heal quickly and uneventfully. One massive IV dose of sodium iodide, in addition to lancing and debriding, and accompanied by SMZ, turned out to be by far the most effective treatment--WAY better than just SMZ and lancing, and also way better than just lancing and cleaning. We also found that the horses in our selenium-deficient area that were on adequate selenium levels did not get hit near as hard as those that weren't--so we also gave selenium to our cases.

    BTW, pigeon fever very often CAN leave ugly scars.  The only horse I ever
    had who got it (amazingly, none of mine got it in the big outbreak, but one
    filly got it when Kevin Costner and his crew were filming The Postman right
    across the road from us--at least we dodged the strangles, influenza, and
    all the other infectious diseases that the movie horses dragged into our
    neighborhood) carries a scar on her chest from her abcess to this day.

    Heidi


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    Replies
    Re: [RC] Pigeon's Disease??, Merryben
    Re: [RC] Pigeon's Disease??, Bette Lamore
    Re: [RC] Pigeon's Disease??, Heidi Smith