----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:01
AM
Subject: RC: Re: How the endurance ride
calendar is formatted
I know that allot
of people have complained every month about it, and until now I haven't
seen any commitment by anyone that it is under review. I do not recall any
survey about a change before hand. And I have e/mail from board member
/directors, that also hate it and did not know about the change before hand
either. So.... Anyway I won't forward e/s to a public forum that were
sent to me privately, but I have asked these people to post. I certainly can
understand their reluctance to do so given the thick skin required to
participate here. I really encourage the ones that have e/d me privately
to speak up now. The main point I am trying to make is that the opinion of the
membership is the one that counts. And if we feel ignored that is not rite. It
is not that anyone does not appreciate the work of the tech guys, we certainly
do, and granted we are probably for the most part rather ignorant of how much
trouble it is to change. I absolutely love the on line site for
records/calendar/etc. It is useful, user friendly, and just plain fun! And
having just learned how to build a web site I cant begin to imagine the work
and time that went into that. One post I received said we didn't thank them
for that. Not true, I was one of the first to give a big thanks. So far as I
know everybody loves it. And pretty much almost everybody hates the EN
calendar. "If it aint broke don't fix it", But when
something isn't working fix it! Making it an issue on
ride camp? Don't tell me not to make it an issue on ridecamp, It already
is an issue by the very fact that so many people hate it. Where else are we
going to be able gain any notice, or have enough of an effective voice to be
taken seriously? Certainly not with
private one on one phone calls or e/mails. Making the monthly gripe phone call
has not gotten even a commitment to "look into it" at least not my calls. The
squeaky wheel gets the grease. Even though the ridecamp
participants are, I'm just guessing, most likely a very small % of AERC
members, ( I would be interested to know how many members do
get ridecamp) this is one of very things that makes ridecamp
a very useful tool. If it has been discussed and rethought by "whoever"
then that is something that should be posted, so we the members know that at
least we have been heard, and what is or is not going on to fix something that
we do not like. One ride manager e/d me that they took a vote at his ride
and it was unanimous that they all hated it. It is interesting that
people don't seem to say "dislike, prefer not, don't care for, they
hate it! If they are working on fixing it great, and I am sure
we don't mean to be obnoxious, ( shut up) and we can and will be patient
and let them do it in peace. And we are glad to have been heard. That is
after all the "real" issue, that the members be heard. If it proves out
that the majority likes it this way then to darn bad for us that
don't. But I'm confident that it will
not. Annie
Anne George Saddlery
www.vtc.net/~ageorge
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:57
PM
Subject: RC: How the endurance ride
calendar is formatted
In response to:
Yes, I hate it this way, and have told
them so , and will continue
to do so. They said allot of people like it,
but I have yet to hear of one
who does. It is a pain to have to go
looking on the following pages
for the rest of the days of a multi day.
and some of the 3 or 4 day
rides you never can find out if they are 5 or
what. They said it is
allot of trouble to change it back. So I guess all
the trouble it causes
the several thousand members of AERC , the REAL
owners of the
organization and the Magazine is less important that the
trouble of a
few paid employees to change it back. It falls on deaf
ears.
Annie George AERC #6273
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Anne,
Although I don't speak for the
office - I would like to respond on this
because I think understanding
what the situation is will help.
First - the office says they did ask
for feedback on this before making the
the change and felt they got
enough positive feedback to make the change.
This one may not have had a
large enough sample could be possible.
Second - the way the calendar
comes out is set by the new software used
in the office. It's not
just someone moving a few lines to make it the
way it used to
be.
Third - changing the format is something that has to be done by
modifying the
software - then testing and making sure it works. It's not
a trivial
change but can be done with some programming
effort.
Last - the office is aware of the general unhappiness on the
issue. It has
been discussed on the Board of Directors email list
too.
I would think that the office is deciding what to do on the
issue and we
will hear from them.
I personally prefer it the old
way myself too.
Let's give them a chance to respond on this
before making it a big issue on
RC.
Mike
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