Re: Re: Re: Animal By-Products in Feed

["Robyn Levash" <questarabians@inreach.com>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Morris <bobmorris@rmci.net>
To: Robyn Levash <questarabians@inreach.com>; Susan Garlinghouse
<suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Animal By-Products in Feed

Bob,
No disrepect, but I think you missed what I was saying entirely. I'm sorry I
didn't understand the point you were trying to make.  I do not wish to get
into he's right, she's wrong. There are many sides to everything in this
world. I do not wish to push my "views" on medicine and life on others, but
rather share my experiences for those that can benefit and desire to learn
from them. It's not fair to mock those of us who desire to learn with an
"open" mind and dare to look outside the "Traditional" box of thinking (or
even use plain common sense). It's usually those few people that dare to
look at something differently that have accomplished some of the greatest
"feats" in this world. What I love about this world is that everyone has
their own unique knowledge or experience. We can all grow from what each
other has to offer. Take my information for what it is worth to you. If it
doesn't mean anything to you, hey it's not going to hurt my feelings. But
maybe by sharing my experience(s) I helped someone else with a similar
problem from it.
 Hey, that's what it is all about.
Robyn

> Robin Stated:
>
> <<<< Many things are diagnosed as something else. What
> about  hundreds of  years ago? There were not even a fraction of the
> diseases that our pets and ourselves suffer today. So tell  me then, what
is
> really wrong with the picture of today? These diseases don't just happen
> they are the CAUSE of  "something".>>>>
>
> Well I started life quite a bit closer to that period of time than Robin
did
> so I might be capable of offering some insight to the question.
>
> When I was a child, parents worried about diseases and ills that Robin has
> not, perhaps, even heard of. The life expectancy was considerably shorter
> and the physical condition of those persons living at the time was not
near
> as robust as now.
>
> Yes, we hear more about the diseases now, mainly because of the rapidity
of
> information dissemination by the media. World wide spread of infections
were
> not as rapid since global travel took months rather than hours. And as
well,
> persons were allowed to die because of "OLD AGE"! Horrors, now a medical
> cause MUST be determined and noted prior to allowing the fact of death.
>
> And speaking of death, it was a common occurrence, and every day fact of
> life. Now the population expects perpetual youth and health.
>
> Realize Robin, with all your supposed "baddies" you can expect to live to
a
> considerable age (not always an advantage) because of all those "baddies
> have contributed the current standard of living you now enjoy.
>
> Bob Morris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robyn Levash [mailto:questarabians@inreach.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:21 PM
> To: Susan Garlinghouse
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC: Re: Re: Animal By-Products in Feed
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Garlinghouse <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
> To: Robyn Levash <questarabians@inreach.com>; Maurisa Payne
> <maurisap@erols.com>
> Cc: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Animal By-Products in Feed
>
>
> > Although I've had a fair amount of human physiology and nutrition
classes
> > along with the animal nutrition classes, I wouldn't presume to tell
people
> > what foods are right or wrong for them in their diet.
>
> Marissa and I were only offering information for those interested in
> learning. Traditional medicine is not always correct as you might believe
or
> have learned. No offense, there is another side to health that you just
have
> not learned. I spent several years going to pre-vet school along with
> several personal experiences, only to find along the way that Traditional

> medicine is not always what it is cracked up to be. Going back to history,
> everyone at one time believed that the world was flat. Very few ventured
or
> cared to know that the world was actually round. Most doctors learn from
> their teachers (in a sense) that the "world is flat". They never venture
or
> care, or simply do not know to dig any deeper into things.
>
> > However, I think that there's alot of mileage that gets bludgeoned out
of
> > taking what are some pretty innocuous livestock feed manufacturing
> practices
> > and turning them into vile, evil and corrupt conspiracies meant to
poison
> > the entire human and animal population.  Believe me, there would be alot
> > more seriously sick people and humans around if preservatives were *not*
> > included in commercial feed.
>
> Who's to say there aren't seriously sick people and animals out there?
Wake
> up! Look all around you at all the people out there with cancers, obesity,
> arthritis, Altheimer's disease, high blood pressure, heart disease,
Chronic
> Fatigue, headaches, hormone relate problems, osteoporosis, high
cholestrol,
> intestional disorders, Diabetes, kidney disease, liver failure, stroke,
> etc.ect. ect.  These diseases are as common as the flu it seems. There is
> something seriously wrong with affects of the rich American diet. Not only
> that, our pets are getting these very same diseases as readily as
ourselves.
> Just because there are no noticeable effects from that preservative, that
> instant or a few years down the road, does not mean that it is not harming
> us in one way or another. Many things are diagnosed as something else.
What
> about  hundreds of  years ago? There were not even a fraction of the
> diseases that our pets and ourselves suffer today. So tell  me then, what
is
> really wrong with the picture of today? These diseases don't just happen
> they are the CAUSE of  "something".
>
> You wanna grow your own organic veggies, and
> > never buy a container of pre-prepared food?  Fine, more power to anyone
> who
> > does that.  Most people are more concerned about convenience in their
> lives
> > and want someone else to do the majority of their food prep, and that
goes
> > for horse feeds as well.  If you make that choice, then yes,
preservatives
> > have to be somewhere in the equation---if it wasn't, there'd be no way
to
> > adequately control spoilage and ther'd be ALOT of horses colicking from
> > moldy feed.  Take your pick.
>
> The point that Marissa and I were making is that there are ALTERNATIVES
out
> there for people that care to know.  For instance, instead of prepared
feeds
> there are good old fashioned oats, pasture, or hay. It is that simple, if
> people want an alternative without preservatives.
>
> >
> > > The consumption of BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin affects cellular
mechanisms,
> > > causing gene instability and a higher mutation rate. As a result,
these
> > > substances have been linked to a higher incidence of cancer in both
> humans
> >
> > Any references to independent studies to support this contention?  Any
> data
> > produced in species other than lab mice (where they've also been able to
> > produce neoplasias as a result of diets high in purified, distilled
> > water...)
> >
>
> Of course no studies exist! Why would feed companies want to fund studies
> that might show that their products have any ill effects, even if those
> effects are not immediately life threatening? Plus studies are expensive
to
> conduct. Most holistic practitioners -who'd like to have studies funded
> simply do not have the resources available to do the research.
>
> I do not need to have studies done to know that I feel TONS better eating
a
> starch centered plant based diet vs. the rich American diet I used to eat.
I
> do not need studies to know that what I am eating now has clearly helped
my
> serious past medical problems. I am my own study. I listen to my body. I
> listen to my animals. The drastic improvements in our health have spoken
for
> themselves. For instance with my cat, I almost lost her due to high kidney
> BUN levels. I put her on a raw meat/vegtable/starch diet (yes, with the
help
> of my vet) and her blood tests have turned and stayed at normal levels. I
do
> not need studies to tell me that this clearly "saved" her life. Science is
> great, but can only go so far. It is results in the end that speak for
> themselves. Results are either temporary or permanant. It is our choice of
> what it is to be.
>
> Robyn Levash
> >
> >
>
>
>
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