RE: Mustangs

["Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>]

I watched a Dennis Reis demonstration(who has worked with Parelli before he
went on his own)where Dennis took a totally untouched range horse from
Canada and backed him in less than a couple of hours!  There was a lot of
"slapping" of leather tack to desensitize the horse before he got on, but
the horse did not buck when first mounted.

I had my mare under saddle myself after only a couple of groundwork
sessions. But I didn't really know what I was doing and made a few mistakes.
But we both survived (which is almost miraculous!).  Never showed her,
though, because I don't know how to put the "finish" onto a saddle horse!

Actually, the fact that Arabs are so smart and can bond to humans makes them
easy to train.  I just have to remember that I'm the one doing the training,
not the Arab!

The John Lyons certified trainer that was at the ranch where I used to board
was so stuck on the round pen, his clients/students would almost never make
it out to the trail.  I was blissfully doing long trail rides without his
tutelage on a green horse being a green rider and it irked him so much that
he told his students not to ride with "that crazy endurance rider" (and I
hadn't even started competing at that time yet!).  I hope that this is just
an individual trainer of John Lyons methods because I certainly am not
impressed. His former students have yet to really do anything on the trail
and he makes it such an ominous thing for them they have no confidence.  I
hate to admit it, but those same students were also the butt of my riding
buddies jokes, because they would be so busy turning the poor horses heads
this way and that and circling, that they just don't have any forward motion
on the trail at all. One of his former students just went on a 25 mile LD
ride and went overtime.  The only reason why she was able to even do the
ride is that a friend of hers made her go on a couple of trail rides.  Never
did stream crossings, road, etc. until the month before the ride - and she
studied with this guy for several years!  And I heard thru the grapevine
that he was banned from another facility for abusive training methods.

This year I had participated in some Parelli Natural Horsemanship clinics
with Deb Cooper and was totally pushed to expand my horsemanship. Don't need
a round pen, either.


Kathy



-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Clanin [mailto:kclanin@fix.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:18 PM
To: Bette Lamore
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: Mustangs


nope, at that time, letssee, it was back in like 1974 or so, never heard
of
john lyons.  truthfully, being totally untouched, and therefore totally
unspoiled by humans, she was much easier to work with than a horse that
had
problems from previous owners -- no preconceived ideas.  btw, on her
arab
side, she was a Witez II granddaughter, and keep in mind that many
registered morgans (back then anyway) had Arabs in their pedigrees so
she
could of been more than 'half' Arab.

i didn't feel i was really pushing her either as i am generally really
slow
in my training of a young horse, just progressed as she could handle it.


and remember the day you tried to catch that 'unknown' rider on the gray
arab in the river trails and they totally disapeared.......gee, betty, i
only had a halter on him!

karen


At 06:24 PM 8/23/00 -0700, Bette Lamore wrote:
>Hi Karen
>So I take it you were doing the John Lyons thing? Or do you have some
>wonderful new drug that we all can buy?<BG>
>Bette
>
>Karen Clanin wrote:
>>
>> thought you all would enjoy this.  years ago i bought a 3 yr old
>> morgan/arab mare, had been caught only once as a weanling to have her
butt
>> stitched from a dog bite, 2 and a half years later when we got her
the
>> stitches were still in there.  took 4 adults an hour to catch her in
the
>> pasture, took me 45 minutes in a stall to get old fashioned leg wraps
on
>> her, an hour for the 4 of us to get her into a two horse trailer, 2
hour
>> ride home she never moved.  when we got her home we couldn't get her
out
>> because she didn't know how to back up so she stood there while we
took the
>> center divider out so she could turn around.
>>
>> i was showing her under saddle, and placing in the classes, in THREE
weeks.
>>
>> karen
>>
>> At 08:12 PM 8/23/00 EDT, Cowgirgoof@aol.com wrote:
>> >In a message dated 8/23/00 5:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >robandcarla@hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> ><< John Lyons would be dragged up and thrown rocks at.
>> > my intentions were to begin with the current owners in working them
and
>> > showing them gradually in two lessons per week. Their handling
capabilities
>> > have been mostly touched when fed. There are two horses. >>
>> >Well that's a shame they would laugh at John....I just got a range
raised
>> two
>> >year old stud colt from Idaho (not a BLM horse, but a Moyle that had
never
>> >been touched), and had him halter broke and ready to ship to Fla
with 3
>> 1/2 da
>> >ys of John Lyon's methods. Sounds impossible right? Not so, I'm
serious. I
>> >had the use of a round pen, and did most of it in the first day. By
the
>> >second day i was touching him all over, and by the third day I had a
halter
>> >on him and was leading him. He's now at home and has never even run
from me
>> >once while catching him- he doesn't know how...
>> >Please write, I'll offer any help I can.
>> >Becky in Fla
>> >
>> >
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>(yes, REALLY!)
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