Fw: Re: ice boots

["Tracey" <tracey@tbt.co.za>]

>I agree.  I bandage after an event, when a horse has jumped a XC course at
>full speed and then gone on to do Showjumping, having already worked in a
>sand dressage arena, and is about to be boxed home on somewhat bumpy roads.
>Once home, bandages are removed, legs are hosed and horse is put to bed.
>
>
>I don't bandage simply because I have jumped, or worked hard, but when,
>using my common sense, I think it would be wise.
>
>
>Bear in mind, also, that both my boys are TB ex-racehorses, so their
history
>has to be taken into account - if they were Boerperds or Arabs, or unraced,
>I may treat them differently (or not...)
>
>
>But your point is well-made, and is one I am trying to get across to a
>friend, who is consistently bemoaning the fact that her horses have weak
>legs.  It couldn't be because they are never turned out without some kind
of
>leg support, now could it?
>
>
>Tracey
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Morris <bobmorris@rmci.net>
>To: Tracey <tracey@tbt.co.za>; Rides 2 Far <rides2far@juno.com>
>Cc: bluewolfranch@yahoo.com <bluewolfranch@yahoo.com>; scottj@cyberlynk.com
><scottj@cyberlynk.com>; ridecamp@endurance.net <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>Date: Friday, June 09, 2000 5:02 PM
>Subject: RE: Re: ice boots
>
>
>>Tracy:
>>
>>Being a maverick about horse care, I believe the horse knows more about
>what
>>is correct than we do, I do not advocate any form of wrapping for support
>>after exercise. If you do wrap for support, you are usurping the task of
>the
>>horse to develop stronger tendons and ligaments. You are doing the task
for
>>the horse in an artificial manner. In other words YOU are providing the
>>support and the HORSE is not developing the support.
>>
>>One thing I fear many horse people are doing is to subvert the natural
>>development of the necessary systems for endurance riding. If you always
>>supplement the systems vs. developing them, then you must constantly
>>increase this support as the horse does not develop them. A never ending
>>circle.
>>
>>An example, you exercise the horse and the legs are tired. This is
natural.
>>Through this stress the horse's system strengthens the system. However
you,
>>in feeling for the horse, provide supplementary support after that
>exercise.
>>The horse's system then responds by saying well. I am not so tired now so
I
>>do not have to strengthen. i.e. Horse does not improve in condition.
>>
>>Most all equine systems work this way.
>>
>>However, the postulate "IT ALL DEPENDS" now enters. If you have OVER
>>stressed or OVER extended a system, some modicum of support is warranted.
A
>>very fine line that thing about "IT ALL DEPENDS".
>>
>>Most likely have you confused by now but it is very simple. Use common
>sense
>>and clearly think things through. Then act.
>>
>>Bob Morris
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tracey [mailto:tracey@tbt.co.za]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:27 PM
>>To: Bob Morris; Rides 2 Far
>>Cc: bluewolfranch@yahoo.com; scottj@cyberlynk.com;
>>ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Re: ice boots
>>
>>
>>What you've said makes sense, Bob.  Obviously, after an event, I am less
>>concerned with cooling the legs that with supporting tired tendons, hence
>>the ice tight and bandages.  When I need to cool, I prefer a hose pipe,
>>although I understand Angie's point about the difficulties of hosing 50
>>horses with 1 hose pipe.
>>
>>
>>Someone once suggested putting those disposable ice plastic bag thingies
>>(like a Jiffy bag, but with little baggy things inside for individual ice
>>cubes) around the leg.  As the ice melts, the water runs down the legs.
>I'm
>>not so sure whether this is good the leg, however, as the ice pack is
>lumpy,
>>and you'll have pressure points on the leg.  Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob Morris <bobmorris@rmci.net>
>>To: Rides 2 Far <rides2far@juno.com>; tracey@tbt.co.za <tracey@tbt.co.za>
>>Cc: bluewolfranch@yahoo.com <bluewolfranch@yahoo.com>;
scottj@cyberlynk.com
>><scottj@cyberlynk.com>; ridecamp@endurance.net <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>>Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:57 PM
>>Subject: RE: Re: ice boots
>>
>>
>>>People forget the insulation factor of ice and water. Remember that a
>>>sliding sled runner on ice or snow, moves easier because of the thin film
>>of
>>>water formed by the friction.
>>>
>>>When you put ice on a horses leg a film of warm water forms next to the
>leg
>>>and deters the transfer of heat to the rest of the cold matter. The only
>>>thing that will act to really cool the leg is flowing water in large
>>>quantities. Like standing in a cold stream.
>>>
>>>This is why we never wrap legs or use ice boots.
>>>
>>>Bob Morris
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Rides 2 Far [mailto:rides2far@juno.com]
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 8:31 AM
>>>To: tracey@tbt.co.za
>>>Cc: bluewolfranch@yahoo.com; scottj@cyberlynk.com;
>>>ridecamp@endurance.net
>>>Subject: RC: Re: ice boots
>>>
>>>
>>>  In that case, the boots are obviously important (or >hosing
>>>>with water).
>>>
>>>Ahh, but when there are 50 hot horses and one water hose...
>>>actually, ice water with a sponge is my favorite on a really hot day when
>>>you're trying to get through the vet check.  We just opened the spiggot
>>>on both our coolers and drained them into buckets for sponging his neck
>>>and legs.  When I had my knee surgery they gave me an ice boot for
>>>myself.  Even freezing the inserts in the freezer, they didn't stay cold
>>>very long...  At Liberty I tried Karen Chaton's suggestion of carrying
>>>the little blue ice packs that you can freeze and putting them under his
>>>crown piece.  They were frozen when we left home, kept in the cooler but
>>>had gone soft, were nice when first put on but within just a couple of
>>>minutes were warm.
>>>
>>>By the way...you people who are riding horses on HOT days with those
>>>crocheted ear and forelock covers.  Don't you think those things hold in
>>>a lot of heat???
>>>
>>>Angie
>>>
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